Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
Had a family friend in Army Intelligence during WWII, he would neither confirm nor deny their existence but I found these in his photo collection...
What if lots of B-29-like bombers with glide bombs had attacked very well protected convoys?
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fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
All good now. I restarted my phone and that seems to have fixed things.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Here's a handy spotter's guide of the various Nazi UFOs.
It's important to know which was which!
RT-
your last post is pretty hard to follow, but I will try.
Labor is only part of the manufacturing problem. They also need raw materials many of which were in short supply.
The fighter capacity is not hypothetical at all. There were numerous types of high performance fighters in service beyond any that were "nearly ready". There was also considerable experience on hand in planning and executing radar based interceptions that benefited from signal intelligence. A squadron of fighters showing up to attack this bomber stream would be significant. They don't actually need to do all that much damage to an individual plane to mission kill it. Shoot them up so they drop ordnance and turn for home and it's a win. Minor damage isn't so minor hundreds of miles out over the ocean.
Picket ships are also easily done. If the bombers attack them then that's a win. Even if they hit as that is a weapon that didn't get to the convoy. I've been on FFGs whose mission profile was basically that- take the hit so it doesn't get to something more valuable. Not a morale builder, but such is naval life.
If the Germans get to use "nearly ready" weapons then so do the allies.
Frankly you have pushed this really as far as it goes. They didn't try this in the Atlantic because they didn't have the stuff and it wasn't going to work. They had maps and they knew the range of allied fighters. Slipping a recon plane through could, and did, happen. Because it wasn't enough of a threat to build a large scale response to. Create a threat and a response is developed for it. If they had the planes and the weapons then they could have done this once. They would not get away with it a second time.
your last post is pretty hard to follow, but I will try.
Labor is only part of the manufacturing problem. They also need raw materials many of which were in short supply.
The fighter capacity is not hypothetical at all. There were numerous types of high performance fighters in service beyond any that were "nearly ready". There was also considerable experience on hand in planning and executing radar based interceptions that benefited from signal intelligence. A squadron of fighters showing up to attack this bomber stream would be significant. They don't actually need to do all that much damage to an individual plane to mission kill it. Shoot them up so they drop ordnance and turn for home and it's a win. Minor damage isn't so minor hundreds of miles out over the ocean.
Picket ships are also easily done. If the bombers attack them then that's a win. Even if they hit as that is a weapon that didn't get to the convoy. I've been on FFGs whose mission profile was basically that- take the hit so it doesn't get to something more valuable. Not a morale builder, but such is naval life.
If the Germans get to use "nearly ready" weapons then so do the allies.
Frankly you have pushed this really as far as it goes. They didn't try this in the Atlantic because they didn't have the stuff and it wasn't going to work. They had maps and they knew the range of allied fighters. Slipping a recon plane through could, and did, happen. Because it wasn't enough of a threat to build a large scale response to. Create a threat and a response is developed for it. If they had the planes and the weapons then they could have done this once. They would not get away with it a second time.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Luftwaffe did use long-range recon types in the North Atlantic on a regular basis like the Fw200 and the Ju290.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Do know when the pilot armour was installed in the Vr.1 ?Here's a handy spotter's guide of the various Nazi UFOs.
It's important to know which was which!
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fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
The armour was fitted at the same time as the pulse guns and the GPS. It was a mid life upgrade
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Yeah, but people still quote the range and speed of the earlier version before the upgrades imposed a performance penalty...
fubar57
General
Was Hitler Building Advanced UFOs in Antarctica?
It's a shame LCDR Ira Kepford never survived the onslaught
Both types were shot down on occasion by Sea Hurricanes.
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
That's what I like about this place, you learn something new every day.
No GPS but only Loran in that upgrade. Let's stick to the truth, it is out there.
It is impossible to tell how many times they tried and failed but according to Wiki Sea Hurricanes from an escort carrier took down 3 Ju 290s in a day and Fw200s were shot down by everything from Winkle Brown in a Martlet to a Lockheed Hudson, you didn't need stellar performers based on fleet carriers to make a difference. Many Fw200s landed or crashed in Spain and Portugal.
Reluctant Poster
Tech Sergeant
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And FW200s were shot down by B24s
That would be one heckuva dogfight to see.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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Did the Luftwaffe try to launch Fritz-X or its kin from FW-200s, Ju-290s, or its other patrol aircraft?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Then check out this thread: Clash of the Titans
Thanks!
I also came across this:
The War's Oddest Dogfight | Military Aviation | Air & Space Magazine
Bejabers, HMS Highlander was my fathers ship.
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