What if the Bf110 only have one pilot?

GrauGeist · Jan 3, 2023

The USAAF really only had three operational types that could fit into the "heavy fighter" category:
P-38
P-82
P-61
The XP-58 was to have been in this category as well.

As far as the "bomber destroyer" category goes, the YFM and the XA-38 are the few in class. The XA-38 was changed to a ground attack candidate (and didn't develop further) while the YFM slid into obscurity.

Shortround6 · Jan 3, 2023

GrauGeist said:
while the YFM slid into well deserved obscurity.

fixed it for you.

GrauGeist · Jan 3, 2023

Shortround6 said:
fixed it for you.

Thank you!

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 3, 2023

tomo pauk said:
Should you find the time and desire to read what was posted on this forum about the P-40, you will see that it received a fair shake here, to say at least.

To be fair to Tom, in unschooled circles, the P-40 was long considered a dog, not because it was one, but because it labored under unfair comparisons and/or selective readings. I myself long thought of it as mediocre at best until I started reading more about it.

It certainly receives a fair shake here, but the knowledge on this forum is much more detailed and insightful than general aviation literature, where the plane was indeed often maligned.

And to be fair, some of its pilots did dislike it. But we can say that about almost any airplane, no?

tomo pauk · Jan 3, 2023

Thumpalumpacus said:
To be fair to Tom, in unschooled circles, the P-40 was long considered a dog, not because it was one, but because it labored under unfair comparisons and/or selective readings. I myself long thought of it as mediocre at best until I started reading more about it.

I myself consider the P-40 as a fighter that was there for the Allied cause in the time when the Allies were stretched thin. When flown in it's best altitude band (as determined by the engine it used), it was a dangerous opponent. Say, good, if not ideal fighter?
Too bad it never gotten more modern engines.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 3, 2023

tomo pauk said:
I myself consider the P-40 as a fighter that was there for the Allied cause in the time when the Allies were stretched thin. When flown in it's best altitude band (as determined by the engine it used), it was a dangerous opponent. Say, good, if not ideal fighter?
Too bad it never gotten more modern engines.

Well-put. All airplanes have strengths and weaknesses in various proportions, and the P-40, flown by a knowledgeable fighter pilot was certainly dangerous to any aircraft it opposed, when used in accordance with its strengths, mainly (from my understanding, amenable to correction) dive acceleration and high-speed roll, and some ruggedness thrown in too.

SaparotRob · Jan 3, 2023

It was MADE for a shark mouth. We were all thinking it.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 3, 2023

SaparotRob said:
It was MADE for a shark mouth. We were all thinking it.

A shark-mouth just doesn't look right on any other airplane, to my eyes.

special ed · Jan 3, 2023

All this discussion has made me dizzy. I see hoards of B-18s flying towards the enemy's land escorted by Bell YFM-1s. I shall take a beer break.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 3, 2023

special ed said:
All this discussion has made me dizzy. I see hoards of B-18s flying towards the enemy's land escorted by Bell YFM-1s. I shall take a beer break.

Beer is pretty much required when considering the YFM ... and it's a given in the design stage.

special ed · Jan 3, 2023

I have always liked the YFM, probably because of my age, largely the general appearance.

GrauGeist · Jan 3, 2023

There's no question that the YFM's design is rooted in the golden age of design and architecture.

It's only redeeming quality, though, would be a spaceship prop in a Flash Gordon or Buck Roger's film.

Admiral Beez · Jan 3, 2023

Thumpalumpacus said:
*said

That's pedantry.

I assumed by that exercise that we were being punked.

wlewisiii · Jan 3, 2023

View: https://youtu.be/iRqXFycEDJE

Just Schmidt · Jan 22, 2023

Thumpalumpacus said:
A shark-mouth just doesn't look right on any other airplane, to my eyes.

I know taste is taste, but in my eyes that's one of the things the Bf 110 could do well.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 22, 2023

Just Schmidt said:
I know taste is taste, but in my eyes that's one of the things the Bf 110 could do well.

View attachment 703451

It just doesn't work for me, the chin-radiator adds to the shark profile, but horses for courses.

FLYBOYJ · Jan 24, 2023

Hey boys - a quick post and a turd in the punch bowl, and VASCO correct me if I'm wrong but the early -110 did not have cockpit heaters, later ones had provisions for heated suits.

Shortround6 · Jan 24, 2023

FLYBOYJ said:
Hey boys - a quick post and a turd in the punch bowl, and VASCO correct me if I'm wrong but the early -110 did not have cockpit heaters, later ones had provisions for heated suits.

And that is why the Rumanian ones performed so poorly. The Rumanians specified a cast iron, coal fired heater much like the British did on the P-3______ (must not be named)

FLYBOYJ · Jan 25, 2023

Shortround6 said:
And that is why the Rumanian ones performed so poorly. The Rumanians specified a cast iron, coal fired heater much like the British did on the P-3______ (must not be named)

That gets bacon as well!

GrauGeist · Jan 25, 2023

I thought the British Pee-30Nein had a small coal-fired tea warmer and the Soviet version used wood for their heater?

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