What If......

[the lancaster kicks ass]

very............

 

[cheddar cheese]

here we go, what if the P-80 Shooting Star had ever seen action against a Go-229, which whould have been the victor?

 

[Lightning Guy]

Go-229. Hands down. Faster and better armed.

 

[cheddar cheese]

but the people flying the 229 would have had very little experience

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

nor would the people in the P-80...................

 

[cheddar cheese]

yes but there could be experienced pilots, you keep saying youself lanc how there was no-one to fly the He-162 8)

 

[Lightning Guy]

If the Germans could have gotten the Go-229 into service they would have put the best available pilots into it, just the they did with the 262 with JV 44 and Kommando Nowenty (however you spell).

 

[plan_D]

Kommando Nowotny;JV 44; Kommando Schenck; JG 7 I believe were all Me-262A-1a wings.

 

[Lightning Guy]

And were the most elite pilots left in the Luftwaffe. If the Germans were smart (and they usually were) they would have given these pilots the Go-229 when it became available.

 

[plan_D]

They certainly would, and they wouldn't have just thrown them in it. Kommando Nowotny was originally EKdo 262, a training wing. I imagine you would have heard of EKdo 229 before the full G--229 wings came about.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

it's the same in the pacific, when the shiden came along, the japs gave it to all their best pilots.................

 

[Lightning Guy]

It would depend on the situation of the war. If the Go-229 came into service before the Germans were not yet completely desparate, there would have been the usual conversion process. As it was, most likely the Go-229 would have only made it into action in the very last days when it probably would have been thrown into the fight without the usual niceties.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

even if you have a great plane like the 229, as i kep saying, it would have come in to late to do anything, the germans didn't have the pilots or fuel to use it much................

 

[cls12vg30]

it's the same in the pacific, when the shiden came along, the japs gave it to all their best pilots.................

I assume you mean the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden:

This aircraft never made it to operational service, making its first test flight on August 3, 1945. The prototype made two flights, for a total time of about 45 minutes. Before any further flights could be completed, the war ended.

 

[plan_D]

No, he means the Kanawishi N1K1 Shiden.

 

[Lightning Guy]

The Shinden saw no service during the war. And I hope you were refering to the N1K2-J Shiden as the N1K1 had another of very real problems. That being said, the pilots given a chance to fly the Shiden were the very best the Japanese had left including Sakai and Nishizawa.

 

[cls12vg30]

Oh, the "George". My bad. I'm not used to seeing it called Shiden, that's why I thought it was a typo.

But the Shinden would probably have been pretty good if it had made it into action. I find the various canard pusher fighter designs pretty interesting, like the Shinden, the American XP-55 Ascender, and the German Henschel Hs P.75

 

[Lightning Guy]

I'm not familiar with the Hs. P.75 but the XP-55 Ascender was junk. The J7W Shinden also had some very real problems with vibration and extreme engine torque but the Japanese were hoping to cure both problems my installing a jet engine.

 

[cls12vg30]

Yeah they had their problems, but I still find the idea interesting. As for the Hs P.75, here's some pics and info from www.luft46.com, a great source for German aircraft designs that may have made it into combat had the war dragged on longer.

"This 1941/1942 design was for a single seat fighter built around a single 2200 hp Daimler Benz DB 610 engine, which was actually two DB 605 engines joined side-to-side. In order to accommodate the unusually long powerplant, a forward canard/rear wing planform was designed. Counterrotating pusher propellers were to be centrally mounted aft. Swept elevators at the nose served as elevators, while the vertical stabilizer was mounted below the rear of the fuselage. Landing gear was of the retractable tricycle type. Projected armament was to be four MK 108 30mm cannon mounted in the forward fuselage."

Model photos of the plane:
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/seymour/32/hsp75mp.html

And some fantastic paintings:
http://www.luft46.com/aoart/aop75.html

 

[Stuka-99]

Well with an attack from france it could have happend