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The idea behind it is great, aircraft whose main weapon is a large gun but the execution not so much. It has the highest number of blue on blue incidents, partly because of the lack of identification system and many pilots even took binoculars just to see the ground better. The f-111 performed the tank busting role much better than the A-10. The main issues being an incriminate gun, high pilot workload, lack of good electronic sensor options.Why do you think the A-10?
In the 'modern' era, of back from the beginning of the ww1 until now?This is in contrast to a previous thread that I have. I'll go first, A-10 warthog.
I couldn't find like a general thread for all eras.In the 'modern' era, of back from the beginning of the ww1 until now?
Okay.I couldn't find like a general thread for all eras.
The idea behind it is great, aircraft whose main weapon is a large gun but the execution not so much. It has the highest number of blue on blue incidents, partly because of the lack of identification system and many pilots even took binoculars just to see the ground better. The f-111 performed the tank busting role much better than the A-10. The main issues being an incriminate gun, high pilot workload, lack of good electronic sensor options.
Sensors to assist in identifying friend from foe.Also what kind of sensors are you referring too?
Your welcome, to be honest I did forget that about why the A-10 was made and I understand why you say it cant be seen as overated. Your point is completely valid.Ok, thanks for clarifying and I understand what you mean.
So when it comes to friend or foe identification the A-10 really had/has whatever technology at the time.
You have to remember that the A-10 was designed to combat mass formations of Soviet Tanks coming through the Fulda Gap in Germany where identification of enemy tanks would not be difficult at all.
So in that context the A-10 will perform admirable and 2nd to none.
If you use any aircraft outside of its intended or best role it will be at a disadvantage.
For those reasons I don't think the A-10 can be seen as overrated. It just fortunately never had to be used for its intended purpose.
Your welcome, to be honest I did forget that about why the A-10 was made and I understand why you say it cant be seen as overated. Your point is completely valid.
Fulmar gets a bad rap due to timing.
It took too long to come into service and then seeing as how it was intended to be a temporary expedient, they kept it in service too long.
Went in squadron service in July 1940. Saw Action in Aug 1940.
It can't deal with a Macchi 202? Which doesn't show up until Sept 1941.
Spitfire II showed up in the summer of 1940. Very few in service in Sept 1941. Spitfire II was replaced in production in very early 1941 by the Spitfire V with the better supercharger.
Now because Fulmar was a "temporary expedient" they never did much in the way of upgrades.
Functionally the Merlin 30 in the Fulmar II was a Merlin III with cropped impeller, (there were internal changes/up grades)
It never got the improved inlet/supercharger of the Merlin XX and Merlin 45.
Now even with a 1600hp engine the Fulmar was never going to be a 330mph airplane but it could have been better.
They were waiting on the Firefly, 200 of which had been ordered off the Drawing board in June of 1940. One month before the Fulmar enters squadrons service. It took until Dec 1941 for the Prototype to fly and until March 1943 for any Firefly's to reach squadrons (actual combat took a lot longer).
Well said, and true in almost all the Fulmars ops, except one.... Considering that HMS Ark Royal was designed for Pacific Ops it would have been nice if her fighters were too. And forget the fighters, the Fulmar is slower than a clean B5N.A carrier fighter doesn't have to be able outperform the opponent's fighters if the opponents fighters can't get there.
Well, I will admit that the bar for most FAA kills is pretty low.The thing I'm arguing against is the whole "highest-scoring FAA fighter, must be decent" thing, because of 80-odd kills. Mmkay.
I wonder what FAA fighter has the highest kills of enemy fighters. I assume it's one of Martlet, Corsair or Hellcat, but it may well be the Sea Harrier, if we consider Skyhawks as fighters.Well, I will admit that the bar for most FAA kills is pretty low.
I'm sure a few Iraqis might disagree with you.
My own picks, for the time period of the forum, would be the Ju-87 or the Fairey Fulmar, and as much as it pains me to say it, the P-38.
According to the RAF museum, the Ju-87 was responsible for sinking the largest number of enemy shipping during WW2, or during any other time. Certainly sank more ships than any Japanese or US torpedo or dive bomber - certainly sank more ships than the Fairey Swordfish (there's a candidate for "most overrated aircraft").
Doesn't sound too overrated to me.
Junkers Ju87G-2 - RAF Museum
Welcome to the forum; yes, you hit a number of nerves.(Wow, I didn't think my posting would hit so many nerves!)
You are absolutely right, as I conceded to Shortround6 in regard to the Mid-Atlantic: In a scenario populated by low-performance planes (low performance in everything except for range), the Fulmar could do well. The one-eyed man ...
I'd really like to see those hard numbers.
Some argue that it was overrated because it required air superiority to be effective. Well that is true of all lightly armed dive bomber aircraft. You put any dive bomber of any kind into contested airspace it will be a turkey shoot.