What is Your favourite plane from world war 2?

[cheddar cheese]

it had a crap payload, and remember, by the end of the war, the mossie could carry the same pay load higher, faster and further on half the engines...............

that doesnt exactly promote the lancaster seen as the b-17 was better

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

no, a mossie couldn't carry a grandslam to allmost any part of germany could it?

 

[plan_D]

No, it is correct with some alterations. The Mosquito could carry the same as a B-17, if the B-17 was on a long run, and the Mosquito was on a short run.

If the Mosquito was carrying the same as the B-17, the B-17 would carry it further. And the B-17 could carry more, if they were going to same distance.

 

[bronzewhaler82]

Ah...so if the B-17 and the Mosquito could carry the same payload over a short and long distance then surely the Lancs ability to carry a smaller payload over a longer distance means the Mosquitos longer distance carrying a larger payload would be equal to that of the B-17 flying with a heavier payload?

Is that correct? 8)

 

[plan_D]

Lets put this in simple terms shall we...The larger the payload the less distance you fly, the shorter the distance the more you can carry.

The B-17 could carry a larger maximum payload altogether than the Mosquito. And it could carry the maximum payload of a Mosquito (8,000 lbs?) further than the Mosquito.

The truth in the Mosquito being able to carry as much as the B-17 is, if the B-17 is flying a further distance than the Mosquito with the same payload.

 

[cheddar cheese]

hmmmmmm, im confused 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i realise that and the B-17 normally carried a 6000lb payload, not 8000lb

 

[plan_D]

Like you must realise then the distance of the mission dictates the amount the aircraft will be carrying, since the heavier the craft the more fuel it will be using therefore restricting it to a shorter distance.

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

that and although the mossie could carry 8000lb, the biggest bomb it could carry weighed 4000lb so technically, those are theoretical figures...

 

[Crazy]

In other words, the Mossie could theoretically carry 8,000 lbs. extra weight, but could only handle at most a 4,000 lb. bomb, due to drag and bomb size. And in kind, the B-17 could probably carry more than 8,000 lbs, but it's bomb bay wasn't large enough to hold more, and it wasn't equipped to carry bombs externally (AFAIK), Plus, you wouldn't take a full bomb load on every mission, 6,000 lbs. is more reasonable. Get's the job done almost as well as 8,000 lbs of bombs, and saves on fuel efficiency

Following suit, the Lanc could probably theoretically carry more than it's max bombload, but the figures were most likely closer due to the large bomb-bay

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

and it wasn't equipped to carry bombs externally

 

[Gemhorse]

That's either KG200 at work , or postwar testing of doodlebugs....As for the Mosquito vs B17, the former took 4,000lb cookies to Berlin because they could carry more fuel, with a range of external tank sizes fitted to the wings. This was the B.XVI that had bulged bomb doors to accomadate the 4000lb'er - They also flew at twice the speed of the big bombers and had a very low attrition-rate compared to the others, which all-in-all must qualify the Mosquito as the Best all-round Bomber of the War - How different things may have been if they had made more, earlier. - But now that we've established the Mosquito as the Best all-rounder [ and yes, it could did carry torpedos too, rockets were just better,] I notice no-one has really given the B.29 a thumbs-up?! I feel they were the ultimate development in Bombers, from WWII.- Sure, they didn't operate in the ETO, and they had a troubled beginning, but they did some major damage before they slung the nukes in them, and I feel their design lead to greater things, like the B.52 which is still in service today... :BIG:

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

That's either KG200 at work , or postwar testing of doodlebugs....

I've seen that pic before and it is an american plane, and they are american doodlebugs, the americans got their hands on a couple of them and copied the design exactily, but they were never used operationally..........

 

[cheddar cheese]

I've seen that pic before and it is an american plane

looks like a b-17 to me?

 

[plan_D]

That's because it is one. Thanks for pointing the obvious out on the American V-1 copy, I think the star on the V-1s wing gives it away.

 

[cheddar cheese]

That's because it is one

alright dont be cocky, for all the lanc knows it could be a p-38, hes not used to seeing b-17's in one piece

 

[Gemhorse]

Certainly there's alot to be said for the B.17, but fundamentally it remained the same throughout the War, the G model being the most developed variant for it's push into Germany. One wonders how things would have been if it joined the Lancasters doing night-runs, or alternatively, if the Lancasters did the daylight bombing- They didn't have the firepower but no doubt they would have changed that. The daylight raids they did after D-Day were easier because the Allies had established Air-Superiority more or less, and that came about largely because of the B.17 / 24's escorts, particuarly the Mustang. Where they altered the Lancaster design to accomodate the Tallboy Grand Slams and weight-saved by deleting guns, the B.17 had no such changes. In this respect the Lancaster became a legend - The B.17 gave of it's ETO experiences to help in the development of the B.29, which was the ultimate Bomber of WWII with remote controlled turrets, range, bombload and remarkable speed, 375 mph @ 25,000 ft [ 450 in the jetstream].- But it's always the weight / range factor for any bomber, isn't it ? I feel the B.17's contribution was big , especially when it lead to the B.29's later success. Lancaster development eventually lead to the Shackleton which served many countries for many years postwar, in the Maritime role.-[ But the Mosquito was so totally unique it is ALWAYS my favourite....]

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

I feel the B.17's contribution was big

not as big as the lancasters, we could have won without the B-17, but not without the lancaster.................

 

[cheddar cheese]

hmmmmm, i doubt it, wellingtons could have been up to the job, despite a 4,500lb payload. And theres always the halifax too 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

na, couldn't have done it without the lancaster.........................