What is Your favourite plane from world war 2?

[bronzewhaler82]

You have enough given knowledge that has probably been forced down your throat.

Y'know its funny...thats exactly what i was thinking about you...

 

[plan_D]

How could you come to that conclusion when I'm going against common thought. Where as you are just repeating what is said by others.

On one final note, the three main principles for a good tank in World War 2, brought to light by both German and Soviet tank experts; firepower, armour and manuverability.

The Panther beat the T-34/76 on firepower and armour. It was slightly defeated on manuverability.

The Tiger beat the T-34/76 on firepower and armour. Beaten on manuverability.

The King Tiger beat the T-34/76 on firepower and armour. Beaten on manuverability.

2 to 1 on every occasion.

Another thing...between 1941 and 1945 the Soviet Union lost 83,500 AFVs on the Eastern Front. The Germans lost 25,584 on all fronts. This should clearly show German supremacy not only in weapons but in skill.

Between 1941 and 1945 Germany produced 23,759 tanks, while the Soviet Union produced 72,231 this shows that numbers were the winning factor. Also shows how quickly the Soviet Union could produce weapons compared to their refined and complicated enemies which were being bombed day and night by Allied bomber streams.

 

[bronzewhaler82]

Yes wonderful...what a great bunch the Germans were...shame they lost the war really eh?

 

[plan_D]

German technology was far superior to the rest of the worlds, it was inferior numbers that lost them the war.

 

[bronzewhaler82]

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

ha, were not toffs if thats what youre impyling

speak for yourself.......................

 

[ahanswurst]

The 88 mm cannon on the larger German tanks fired a 22 lb shell 3000+ feet/second and point of aim was 5000 feet. It was very flat shooting and a better round then any of the allies tank cannons . The USA started putting 90 mm cannons on their tank destroyers later in the war . But all in all the 88 mm was the best cannon of WW2. The Russians 76 mm cannon was a good round but it bounced off of the armor of the larger German tanks. What the Russians tanks lacked in firepower they made up by making more tanks then the Germans could stop. There were stories of tank battles of where there were T-34's all over the place burning and shot up. But the Russians had more tanks and they just kept on coming in waves.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i agree, the 88 was a hell of a gun, for a while it was the only anti-tank gun they had that could take out allied tanks...................

 

[plan_D]

Unfortunate the '88' has been classed as just that, the '88'. The different German 88mm guns were all very good, very, very good. It wasn't until the 122mm cannon on the IS-2 was brought to bear that they could match the Tiger one on one, and even then the optics on the Tiger were superior.

All the German guns were good, refined and very powerful. The 75mm cannon on the Panther had more penertration at certain degrees than the 88mm on the Tiger, you want the precise gun names, I can give them, but at the moment, I'd tired.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

the british 76 was very efective when mounted in a sherman..........

 

[brad]

lancaster, no question

to right

 

[brad]

lancaster, no question

hey the lanc and 17 are tied at 7% guess wut one i voted for

brobs b17 my fave is the lanc

 

[bronzewhaler82]

Can we please get back on the aircraft topic guys?

theres a thread called "What is a tank" if you want to discuss the merits of WW2 tanks further...cheers 8)

 

[cheddar cheese]

yes that would be nice 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

thanks brad, it's nice to have someone with an love for fine planes (the plane in question is the lancaster before you say anything C.C.), what's you opinion on the B-17?

 

[brad]

my opinon on the b17 is it was crap

 

[cheddar cheese]

(the plane in question is the lancaster before you say anything C.C.)

im not stupid, i know you wouldnt say the b-17 was good if your life depended on it

and no the b-17 wasnt crap 8)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

it had a crap payload, and remember, by the end of the war, the mossie could carry the same pay load higher, faster and further on half the engines...............

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

since when is 4,000lb the same/higher payload than 8,000 lb???

 

[bronzewhaler82]

Lanc is correct Germans...The Mossie could carry a payload equal to a B-17 bomber...its a fact