bronzewhaler82
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Well...could it be because he doesn't like B-17s?
What is Your favourite plane from world war 2?
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cheddar cheese
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no, cos he gets scared whenever he sees it cos he know he might ave t slag it off 
we tend to make jokes about the ju-87 alot now though 8)
we tend to make jokes about the ju-87 alot now though 8)bronzewhaler82
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To be honest I think the Ju87 is more deserving of our wrath 8)
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cheddar cheese
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it is 8) bloody stuka....
the lancaster kicks ass
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can you believe they actually tought it was invincible.....................
bronzewhaler82
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Really? 
Its amazing how Propaganda can rot the brain
Its amazing how Propaganda can rot the brain
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cheddar cheese
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yup 8) bloody propaganda.....
(you see a pattern developing here)
(you see a pattern developing here)
The Stuka did well when no enemy aircraft were in the air, or no AA was on the ground..really it was crap. Goes to show when it did so well against the Spanish, Polish, French and Belgians..when it came across normal people it failed horribly, the British I mean. It even destroyed the Soviets at first.
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cheddar cheese
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i thought soviets were indestructible
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cheddar cheese
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it was a joke 
i have an obsession with russians and communism
i have an obsession with russians and communismbronzewhaler82
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plan_D said:
Their tank force was amazing though (better than their airforce)
The Russian T-34 is widely beleived to be the best tank to ever come out of WW2 - it knocked the socks off anything German and even modern tanks were designed using the revolutionary ideas the Russians used to build them - the Russian tank force during WW2 was truly something to be very very worried about...
I think you should read my reply in 'What are tanks?' to that.
In 1941 Russias tanks certainly were not good, going from a force of 28,800 to 1506 surely shows it. Their production was their greatness and the German tanks were still better on paper. The reasons the Germans lost was not because of their inferior tanks, it was because of their inferior numbers.
German tanks were the best of the war, if you are want to average it out. Early war, 1939 - 1940 Britain were the best, only because of the Matilda, 1941-1942 Russia were the best, 1943 onwards Germany were the best. All the way through Germany were only slightly surpassed.
The Panzer IVG always matched the T-34 of any variant, and the Panther walked all over the T-34 in combat until it was overrun by many T-34s. In one battle 7 Panthers met 70 T-34s and in the 20 minute conflict destroyed 28 T-34s without a single loss.
The Panzer V 'Panther' was the best tank of the war. And that was designed to combat the T-34, so there's something you can say about the T-34.
You do realise the T-34 would have never existed if not for the American Christie tank system, by good 'ole New Jersey man Walther Chrisite. So, this was not a Russian invention. And in fact it was the JS-3 that pioneered modern tanks and this was based off the KV more than the T-34.
In 1941 Russias tanks certainly were not good, going from a force of 28,800 to 1506 surely shows it. Their production was their greatness and the German tanks were still better on paper. The reasons the Germans lost was not because of their inferior tanks, it was because of their inferior numbers.
German tanks were the best of the war, if you are want to average it out. Early war, 1939 - 1940 Britain were the best, only because of the Matilda, 1941-1942 Russia were the best, 1943 onwards Germany were the best. All the way through Germany were only slightly surpassed.
The Panzer IVG always matched the T-34 of any variant, and the Panther walked all over the T-34 in combat until it was overrun by many T-34s. In one battle 7 Panthers met 70 T-34s and in the 20 minute conflict destroyed 28 T-34s without a single loss.
The Panzer V 'Panther' was the best tank of the war. And that was designed to combat the T-34, so there's something you can say about the T-34.
You do realise the T-34 would have never existed if not for the American Christie tank system, by good 'ole New Jersey man Walther Chrisite. So, this was not a Russian invention. And in fact it was the JS-3 that pioneered modern tanks and this was based off the KV more than the T-34.
bronzewhaler82
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If this German tank was so hot mate then WHY are modern tank designs based around the T-34 and not a German tank? The truth is that the German tank was based around the design of the T-34! the Nazis saw it on the battlefield and thought "oh shit" and designed their tank in a hurry - see this quote and the site i got it from it clearly proves my point - the T-34 was the best
"The T-34 came as a sad surprise to the Germans when they encountered them in quantity in July 1941. (Even if the T-34 engaged the Germans for the first time on June 22nd at Gorki). When the Germans engaged them they noticed that all their tanks had suddenly become obsolete and undergunned, for they were not a match to the T-34 either in speed, hitting power or protection. This immediately led to the Germans speeding up the developement of the heavy Tiger tank and the designwork of a tank with a similar design as the T-34, later to be known as the PzKpfw. V Panther, which owed its appearance and features directly to the T-34."
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
Oh and while you're at it you may as well take a look at another site - perhaps this will convince you..?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/duxford/land4.htm
This American may have designed it but the Russians took the idea and perfected it - the T-34 was a russian design based on an american concept 8)
"The T-34 came as a sad surprise to the Germans when they encountered them in quantity in July 1941. (Even if the T-34 engaged the Germans for the first time on June 22nd at Gorki). When the Germans engaged them they noticed that all their tanks had suddenly become obsolete and undergunned, for they were not a match to the T-34 either in speed, hitting power or protection. This immediately led to the Germans speeding up the developement of the heavy Tiger tank and the designwork of a tank with a similar design as the T-34, later to be known as the PzKpfw. V Panther, which owed its appearance and features directly to the T-34."
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
Oh and while you're at it you may as well take a look at another site - perhaps this will convince you..?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/duxford/land4.htm
This American may have designed it but the Russians took the idea and perfected it - the T-34 was a russian design based on an american concept 8)
the lancaster kicks ass
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the T-34 looked better then any german tanks..............
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cheddar cheese
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yup, sure did 8)
the lancaster kicks ass
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and i think the T-34 looks more like modern tanks than the King Tiger..............
bronzewhaler82
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Welcome back Lancaster! We missed you!
the reason modern tanks look similar to the T-34 and not the King Tiger was because modern tank designs are based around the T-34 (yes it really was that good) and not the King Tiger (although and excellent Tank it was outclassed by the T-34 -same as British and US tanks too - just as well we were on the Russians side! 8) )
the reason modern tanks look similar to the T-34 and not the King Tiger was because modern tank designs are based around the T-34 (yes it really was that good) and not the King Tiger (although and excellent Tank it was outclassed by the T-34 -same as British and US tanks too - just as well we were on the Russians side! 8) )
The King Tiger was out-classed? Are you on drugs? The King Tiger had the greatest armour and armament of the war for any tank. It's 88mm cannon had the same penertration as the 122mm on the IS-2 because of German refining causing higher velocity.
The T-34 was seriously out-classed late in the war, you should learn a little more, study the penertration and armour values yourself, you'll soon see. The number of Soviet tanks was the winning factor, look at the ratio of tank losses on the Eastern Front. The King Tiger didn't serve well on the Eastern Front because it was easily swamped by numbers and being 68 tonnes it was too heavy for the poor roads and soft ground.
It was designed for the West, and it served very well in the West. The roads in the West could support the King Tiger, and it served unbelievebly well. Lack of supplies and inferior numbers were it's only downfall. You seem to have a severe disliking of German tanks, when in all reality they were the best of the war and nothing could match them one on one. :grab:
The T-34 was seriously out-classed late in the war, you should learn a little more, study the penertration and armour values yourself, you'll soon see. The number of Soviet tanks was the winning factor, look at the ratio of tank losses on the Eastern Front. The King Tiger didn't serve well on the Eastern Front because it was easily swamped by numbers and being 68 tonnes it was too heavy for the poor roads and soft ground.
It was designed for the West, and it served very well in the West. The roads in the West could support the King Tiger, and it served unbelievebly well. Lack of supplies and inferior numbers were it's only downfall. You seem to have a severe disliking of German tanks, when in all reality they were the best of the war and nothing could match them one on one. :grab:
