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Maybe it is just me, but isn't is obvious that the Marines could use only aircraft provided by the USN - and the Navy was never going to use an Army Plane in large numbers at this stage of the war.
But tomo pauk has a point - why were only Army Bombers at Midway? Probably tyrodtom is right - there just wasn't room for them and then there is that inter service rivalry.
Putting the two together kind of answers the question about the Army bombers being there. At this stage of the war Navy shore based bombers are few and far between. Part of the inter-service rivalry during the 30's (and even today) is a battle for funding. The Congress, in time of peace,is not going to fund both Army and Navy bombers of almost equal capabilities or even squadrons in both services using the same planes. Both services were expanding quite dramatically during 1941-42-43 but in the summer of 1942 Navy shore based patrol/bomber squadrons were anything but common.
May 10, 1942 -- Approximately 80 miles off coast of Accra, Africa. Commenced to launch P-40s at 0800. Last flight at 1715. Takeoffs were fairly good.
What's wrong with the Imperial Japanese Army method for transporting aircraft? Nothing prevents the U.S. Army from building similiar aircraft transports on merchant hulls.
Tomo Pauk,
But VMF-221 deployed to defend Midway in Dec 41 so the USAAF fighters would, presumably, need to deploy on the same schedule? Also, the 57th FG pilots merely had to hit the coast and then turn left or right (depending on where they made landfall). For inexperienced USAAF pilots to navigate across the ocean and find Midway seems a little more challenging. It also doesn't resolve the (possible - still would like it confirmed) issue of USAAF fighters, at that stage of the war, operating at long distances from land which is why Kimmel sent in the USMC in the first place.
You have to have the flight decks available. The idea existed, it had been done, but while we did turn out "jeep" carriers by the dozen, ti wasn't until later in the war. Trying to use existing carriers in May/June of 1942 means landing their normal compliment of planes, transporting the army planes and then returning to the base where their normal carrier planes are waiting. This could take them out of action for several days to several weeks depending on the distances involved.
Building Army aircraft transport ships earlier than Dec of 1942 doesn't make sense because there were so few planes to transport.
The AVG stricly engaged Japanese Army fighters through its combat career Dec 1941 until absorbed into the USAAF at the end of June 1942. But the original AVG was not the US Army in substance, besides formality. It just flew an Army-type fighter, the P-40. Many of the key pilots were from the naval services, and in general the pilots from all services were almost uniformly highly experienced (in military flying, though almost none of them had seen combat before the Dec '41), not resembling early Pacific War US Army fighter units in that respect.As to the Army vs. the IJN in 1942 - at this stage there was just very little contact between the two, most of the US AAF action was against the IJA.
As I said, the USMC interception at Midway was just one combat, and one combat is always going to be 'different' than a long series of combats just from statistical variation with evens out in a big set of statistics but doesn't in a single case.Hi Joe,
I think you raise some valid points but the situation at Guadalcanal was very different from that at Midway:
1. Attacks against Guadalcanal employed far smaller numbers of Japanese aircraft - defenders frequently outnumbered the Japanese fighters.
2. Guadalcanal benefitted from earlier warning via the Coastwatcher system and the defenders always knew from which direction the Japanese would be coming.
3. Guadalcanal had more fighters available both in raw numbers and in the numbers that could be tactically massed (at Midway VMF-221's 4 Divisions were committed piecemeal as they were considered discrete tactical elements).
4. Japanese fighters had less combat time over Guadalcanal - their operating bases were 200 miles more distant from Guadalcanal than were the Japanese aircraft carriers from Midway.
The net result of these differences was that the USMC and USN fighters were able to mass more defensive fighters at higher altitude than was achievable at Midway against a less numerous adversary who had less combat loiter time over the target. Given these differences, it's hardly surprising that the USMC and USN pilots at Guadalcanal did better. The drawn-out nature of the Solomons campaign also enabled tactical evolution - early results against the Zero, IIRC, weren't particularly good during the early phases of the battle for Guadalcanal but they improved as experience increased and tactics evolved.
Bland kill/loss figures don't represent the subtle (and sometimes major) differences in tactical conditions between locations that have a tremendous impact on the outcome of tactical battles.