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It seems that the real hero here, when it comes to the Mustang, was the supercharger. Where did the Packard Merlin supercharger come from, was it built in the US under patent? Who manufactured it? Was it modified in any way. I was under the impression it was different from the British Merlin engines, is that true? What is the story here.
Thanks everyone for an amazing technical input.
The Merlin engine certainly needs no defense, it has its war record to do that but Allison seems to be generally considered a second rate brother to the Merlin due to its replacement in the Mustang. This discussion has certainly answered my question and, in my mind, raise my opinion of the Allison. I read somewhere that the US paid royalties for the Packard Merlins and wanted the Allison in the P-82 because of that. What was the cost of these royalties?
Allison, on the other hand, was drip fed funds from the US government, who was very much an isolationist government in the 1930s. Recovering from the depression also reduced funds available for development.
I you haven't read David Brinkley's "Washington goes to War", I recommend you do. I'm sure other books touch on the same subject, but this one is short and to the point. It really gives the reader an understanding of the small size and small mindedness of the U.S. government in the 1930s.
One of the aspects I try to keep in mind regarding the topics we talk about in this forum is time. It is amazing how much technical development and implementation occurred such a short period of time.
This is a great thread and another example of why; I always hope to be educated more than educating when participating in these discussions.
"The Merlin was the most successful aircraft engine of the WW2 era." Hmmmmmmmm! All well and good to be nationalistic. I expect that most of us are nationalistic to some degree.
BUT! During the fighter conference in 1944, pilots were asked to vote on which engine inspired the most confidence. 79% voted for the R2800, 17% for the Merlin and 1% for the V1710. Perhaps we should amend the statement to : The Merlin was the most successful inline liquid cooled engine in WW2?
I think that the difference between the RR Merlin and the Allison V-1710 is partly due to the different circumstances of the manufacturers and their countries.
RR, and the other British engine manufacturers, were heavily funded by the government in the 1930s, and the situation in Europe required a certain level of urgency. The Merlin was probably put into service earlier than it should have been, but the RAF needed aircraft, particularly high performance fighters, for a potential war.
Allison, on the other hand, was drip fed funds from the US government, who was very much an isolationist government in the 1930s. Recovering from the depression also reduced funds available for development.
Note that the Continental IV-1430 program started not long after the V-1710, but didn't get into production before the end of the war. Continental were drip fed funds and didn't invest their own money in the program, so progress was slow. It was similar for Allison, in that government money for development was tight, and they were directed as to what to develop.
RR had been active in the Schneider Trophy the last couple of times it ran, and used supercharger boost to achieve the performance. This is also the road they took through the war, particularly on the Merlin. High boost dictated lower compression ratios. Allison initially ran higher compression ratios, which restricted the boost that could be used, and thus horsepower. Later Allison dropped the CR and increased boost for turbocharged and two stage engines.
Also, later in the war Allison tested a V-1710 fitted with a two stage supercharger from a 60-series Merlin, the power and torque curves being almost identical with the Merlin. Basically the power that either could produce was down to the air that could be put through it, and the supercharger was the detrmining factor in that.
Most of the war the Allison suffered for having a single speed supercharger. In fact all single stage engines were single speed. RR went to two speed suerchargers early in the war, and that contunued with the two stage engines. Having a multiple speed drive for the single speed supercharger, or a variable speed drive, would have made the single stage altitude rated (turbocharged engines were sea level rated) engine a more useful and competitive unit.
There were a few areas of design where the Allison could be considered to be superior to the Merlin. But the potential superiority was not realised during the war, Allison's design ability being trumped by Rolls-Royce's development ability and determination, and I think it would be fair to say that the Merlin's legendary status is built on the many roles it played during the war, and its influence on the outcome was arguably greater than any other engine of the period.
No, with respect, the Merlin was the most successful aero-engine,its not all about being English either.
It powered most of the significant WW2 aircraft and secured our liberty.
I have the utmost respect for the P51 but, the Americans could not produce an engine of sufficient performance in time for when the P51 was needed most.
Cheers
John
I read somewhere that the US paid royalties for the Packard Merlins and wanted the Allison in the P-82 because of that. What was the cost of these royalties?