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The "Bomber Mafia" held to the theory that a heavily armed bomber would always get through.
In a way they were correct - as I understand it, not 8th AF heavy bomber raid was turned back or prevented from attacking their target by enemy fighters.
However, it was soon evident that the amount of losses for unescorted bombers in hostile airspace was unsustainable. But that was in late 1943.
There were/are several long and informative posts about the P-38 and P-51 here. If you wanted a high altitude long range fighter plane first flying in 1939, only a twin engine would do it hence the P-38. If you want a single engine long range fighter based on the Merlin you get it in mass production in 1943. Taking the best case scenario without completely re writing history compared to what actually happened could advance things by (perhaps) months not years. The B-17 was used at Dieppe escorted by Spitfire IXs (August 1942). There were some unescorted raids which may have given a false sense of security, its easier to hit a French port than a German city for obvious reasons. In addition to the use of escorts the bombers used also changed especially regarding front turret armament. The aeroplane is only one issue, aeroplanes need pilots and runways. To escort a mission deep into Germany required any waves of fighters, meaning you need thousands of planes and thousands of pilots, to be effective those pilots need circa 200 hrs on type and miles of runway. Whatever a bomber mafia may or may not have thought and said, things could not really have been done much quicker anyway, the engines planes fuels people and infrastructure just wasn't there and had to be put there. In addition many hard lessons had to be learned as far as actually mounting missions and just as importantly calling them off.So the conventional wisdom goes. However I don't think they went into their bombing campaign completely blind. They did know how the German bombing offensive went and why they switched to night bombing, and what happened to English daylight bombers and why the British had switched to night bombing, and then explicitly to area bombing in early (February) 1942, followed by the "Dehousing" policy memo in March of that same year. Some time between them and the first US fighter escort of a B-17s mission later in 1942, it had begun to dawn on some of them that there would be a need.
The American Army Air Force generals, and the bomber mafia specifically, still believed in their doctrines like "the bomber will always get through" and their perceived super weapons especially the B-17 and the Norden Bombsight, and they still believed in precision daylight bombing. But a nagging counter narrative was already taking shape even in 1941. The British were doing their best to talk the Yanks down from the ledge (as they saw it) and give up the idea of bombing in the daytime altogether. By mid 1942 this was becoming a rather heated argument. In theory B-17s were so extraordinary they could get the job done, but combat experience all through 1942 did not indicate any aircraft that could attack German targets alone in the daytime, except maybe Mosquitos.
The middle position between night bombing and unescorted daylight bombing is escorted daylight bombing. So they were hedging their bets a bit in supporting the development of fighters which looked like they could perform escort duties, in spite of the long and painful development cycle of both planes (P-38 and P-47). P-38s incidentally were being used to escort B-24s and B-17 in the Med from mid November 1942 and all through 1943. The first escort mission by P-38s was on 19 November 1942, they escorted a group of B-17s bombers on a raid over Tunis. I think it was already quite clear in early 1943 that B-24s in particular needed escorts over Tunisia and later Sicily and Italy etc. They were surprisingly effective at wiping out air bases - I think more German and Italian planes were destroyed on the ground by the heavy bombers in winter 1942/43 than by any other single method in that Theater. But they needed help to survive, they were taking losses even with escorts.
The proof that escorts were required over Northern Europe may not have been irrefutable until after Schweinfurt etc., but remember at the time of Schweinfurt many of the raids were already being escorted, it's just that the best targets were beyond the range of the escorts, tempting them to send the bombers out alone in the last leg of their trip. The Regensburg raid was escorted by 87 P-47s from the 353rd and 56th Fighter Groups as far as Belgium. The Schweinfurt raid had 88 P-47s and 96 Spitfires watching their backs on the way in,. They were then met in "withdrawal support" by different fighter groups (totallying 93 P-47s and 95 Spitfires for Schweinfurt) on the way back out again. The P-47s of the 56th Fighter Group were escorting bombers (so called "Ramrod" missions) from 29 April 1943. 78th Fighter Group were flying escort missions from Duxford also from April 1943.
So it's not like the notion of escorting B-17s and B-24s was new in 1944. That is just a shorthand version of a more nuanced reality. Given that they were flying heavy bomber escort missions with P-38s in the Med from November 42 and with P-47s in April 43, I think they conceived of the idea of using them in that way maybe a little earlier than that.
It took 3 things to make the escort fighter (as used in the west, the Japanese Zero is an exception of sorts) possible,
It took the better aerodynamics of the P-51, it took the development of 100/130 fuel and it took the development of the efficient two stage supercharger.
Only one of those things existed in 1940, none had existed in 1939 and all would exist in 1942 so changing some generals minds about what was possible and what was not possible in regards to escort fighters also took a while.
Kinda get the impression that the RAF were glad to see the back of the Typhoon don't you?Undoubtably the Tempest took over for the Typhoon when the unit was not disbanded. That book I cited said that when the unit was disbanded they were first told to leave their Tempests in Germany and then fly Spitfires out of a narrow short strip surrounded by rubble to ferry them back to England. This worried the commander a great deal since only he and one other pilot had flown a Spitfire before! They all made it, though.
The Ki-61 managed to be a long range fighter without 100/130 grade fuel (even without 100 oct), with aerodynamics of yesterday (16% thick wing of 2R profile) and also yesterday's 1-stage supercharger. IIRC no one in Allied camp regarded the Ki-61 as a push-over.
Come on Tomo.
GIve the Americans 500 Ki 61 in late 1942 or early 1943 and how far would they have gotten into Germany?
Or Use hundreds of Ki 61s in 1942 to escort British bombers past the Ruhr in daylight.
How well would it have worked?
There are all kinds of figures for fuel capacity of the KI 61 but a lot seem to be around 150 US gallons internal. The P-40 held 148?
A P-40 had theoretical range of over 1000 miles with a drop tank, (75 gallon?) but it was useless as an escort fighter over Europe in 1942.
The Ki 61 wasn't a pushover but it wasn't really a viable escort fighter for 4 engine bombers either.
the Ki 61 did use one of the highest aspect ratio wings on WW II fighter for good cruise efficiency
Made some graphs cause I can't stop myself. Most information here at: WWII Aircraft Performance
My P-40 knowledge is pretty low, but it seems like the F started out with a 5 min combat limit of 48 inches, raising to 54 inches, and finally 61 inches (?). I hope to get more information and take a stab at estimating the higher boost speeds.
Ki 61 carried 199 US gals of internal fuel, plus 2 x 50 US gals in drop tanks.
My point about Ki-61 is that it used aerodynamics from late 1930s and engine from 1939. The Ha-40 was no better engine than V-1710-39, or even than -33. Merlins can do it even better, without need for 130 grade fuel and more than 1-stage S/C. So I'd say that Ki-61 with Merlin would've escorted British bombers over Ruhr already by 1939. Let's not forget that need for escort was there years before USAAF appeared over Europe, and it was not USAAF that needed them. A term '4 engined bomber' does not equal to B-17, while escort altitudes were not always 25000 ft. Especially before late 1942.
A P-40 had theoretical range of over 1000 miles with a drop tank, (75 gallon?) but it was useless as an escort fighter over Europe in 1942.
Perhaps in theory, but! Sometimes historical facts get in the way of theories. P-40s were not only "not useless" but were probably the main "go-to" escort fighter for medium bombers over Italy in 1943 and early 1944.
Italy is Europe right?
Don't mean to be pedantic
A P-40 had theoretical range of over 1000 miles with a drop tank, (75 gallon?) but it was useless as an escort fighter over Europe in 1942.
It doesn't appear that P-40s were escorting anything over Italy in 1942, whether or not you count Italy as part of Europe or not.