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And on that I think you and I agree. I don't think the USA would've gone to war if not itself directly attacked. Including the PI. Yes, the US was in an undeclared war in the Atlantic. I imagine most Americans weren't too happy with it or aware of it or wanted to be aware of it. Of what I've read (not much), America was very isolationist.Which is why they may have not gone to war unless they were attacked.
So my idea is that.
So it was the United State's responsability to immediately go to war when the Japanese attacked European colonies?
Where were the Europeans when Manchuria or China was over-run?
At least the U.S. was taking diplomatic actions by emplacing embargoes on exports to Japan in the hopes that they would cease their military expansion.
It all boils down to the fact that the U.S. did not want to be involved in any war.
The USA had by far the lowest casualty rate of all the larger nations engaged in WW2. The USA achieved this by carefully allying itself to anti Axis powers to prevent the Axis from gaining control of vital areas and strategic resources to feed their war machines.
If the USA gave the Axis a free hand around the globe, then when the USA was finally attacked (as it was at Pearl Harbor and the subsequent Nazi war declaration), the USA might have been defeated, or won but at the cost of millions or tens of millions of fatal casualties.
For life of me, I cannot fathom this attitude that somehow the USA was doing the rest of the world a favour when what really happened was that the USA was handed a relatively bloodless victory because it kept it's Allies in the ring, and prevented a scenario where they had to fight the Axis single handed.
It all boils down to the fact that the America First movement, was really just a Nazi front organization, and by 1941 the USA public had seen through this and were prepared for war with the Axis, because they knew that America, however strong, was not strong enough without powerful Allies. Unfortunately the myths of the America First movement keep getting revived.
IndeedA shadow has fallen on our gentlemanly conversation. This is why we can't have nice things.
You cannot be serious...
The US had considerable oil reserves, iron, copper, nickel, aluminum and other nessecary metals (including uranium and plutonium), vast wood sources, infinite food sources as well as sprawling manufacturing and naval facilities.
What could the secret Nazi Americans possibly need from other nations that would enhance or improved her ability to manufacture machines and weapons of war?
America's casualty rates were lower than some nations because she was late in entry as well as not being involved directly in the land war on the Eastern front or in China proper, but her 420,000 military deaths closely matched that of the UK's 450,000 - so following that logic, what did Britain do, hold back while other nations did the heavy lifting? Hmmm?
I call bullshit on that entire post.
I skipped over the other drivel in your post as not worth the effort, but this, there is no way I'll let this slide. I'd like your definition of "bloodless" because I'm sure it will be quite a creative description.*SNIP*
For life of me, I cannot fathom this attitude that somehow the USA was doing the rest of the world a favour when what really happened was that the USA was handed a relatively bloodless victory because it kept it's Allies in the ring, and prevented a scenario where they had to fight the Axis single handed.
*SNIP*
Eh, horrified is probably a safe bet.You agree with with most of my posts?
I am not sure if I am honoured or horrified!
*SNIP*
I am always correct so I can see your point of view.Eh, horrified is probably a safe bet.
I skipped over the other drivel in your post as not worth the effort, but this, there is no way I'll let this slide. I'd like your definition of "bloodless" because I'm sure it will be quite a creative description.
I generally ignore your thinly veiled anti-American bias because you usually have something interesting to say and post sources/references. Points for that.
But this? I considered several responses, but most were vulgar and rather offensive language wise and they were suggestions what you can do with/to yourself. So you can fill in the blanks on that score, be creative.
Really? THAT's where you went with this? Your flailing response that resorts to erroneously calling me a Nazi?So where's your outrage over the suggestion that the USA should have stood idly by and let the Axis win? Where's the outrage over the fact that the Nazi deathcamps would have been run full throttle with no USA intervention? If you want to cheer on the Nazis then have the guts to say it plainly, rather than hide behind a pretend outrage at my supposed anti-American bias.
The USA had by far the lowest casualty rate of all the larger nations engaged in WW2. The USA achieved this by carefully allying itself to anti Axis powers to prevent the Axis from gaining control of vital areas and strategic resources to feed their war machines.
If the USA gave the Axis a free hand around the globe, then when the USA was finally attacked (as it was at Pearl Harbor and the subsequent Nazi war declaration), the USA might have been defeated, or won but at the cost of millions or tens of millions of fatal casualties.
For life of me, I cannot fathom this attitude that somehow the USA was doing the rest of the world a favour when what really happened was that the USA was handed a relatively bloodless victory because it kept it's Allies in the ring, and prevented a scenario where they had to fight the Axis single handed.
It all boils down to the fact that the America First movement, was really just a Nazi front organization, and by 1941 the USA public had seen through this and were prepared for war with the Axis, because they knew that America, however strong, was not strong enough without powerful Allies. Unfortunately the myths of the America First movement keep getting revived.
And the next person to insult the brave men and the honor of those who fought and died to end this war (of any nationality), can take their attitude and anti-whatever bias and pack sand. It will not be tolerated.
Relatively bloodless victory my ass! Spoken like a person who never put their life on the line for anything.
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I sometimes wonder what Japan's leaders would have thought had Germany declared war on the US in 1940, thus provoking earlier mobilization of the US war economy.
I was going to post this in the What Are You Watching thread. I just watched "The Swamp Ghost" on PBS. Those guys up there, kids, in these planes. I had an uncle who was part of a B-24 squadron somewhere in the Pacific. Another uncle part of an airlift unit flying the "Hump". Regret not talking to them about it when I had the chance. I just took a look at Dad's medals. He was involved in the defense of the Ardennes Pocket. I know I lost a cousin on D-Day. It wasn't bloodless.My grandfather died in a -17 somewhere over Europe or the North Sea. Over 400,000 American families have the same story to tell.