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It was my understanding that the French Purchasing commission requested the Wright GR-1820-G205A, which had a single-stage, 2-speed supercharger, that was rated 1250hp.
The British Martlet (G-36B) had the P&W R-1830-S3C4--G (rated at 1,200hp.)
I always think its a bit odd that the Battle of Britain took place after the jet age started.Why settle for halfway measures?
Not to be picky (Me picky? Hard to fathom I know) but I believe in the book, it was a Hudson Sedan converted into a truck, in the John Ford 1940 movie, it was a 1926 Hudson Super Six.*SNIP*
Even destitute poor folk like the Joads in Grapes of Wrath could find a way to acquire an ancient Model T Ford (converted to a pickup truck) in which to make their exodus to California, stopping along the way to grind the valves and fashion new head gaskets out of scrounged materials.
*SNIP*
If it was available a year earlier, would the Gloster E.28/39 be any use in the BoB? It would need to be armed, and available in sufficient quantities for several squadrons.I always think its a bit odd that the Battle of Britain took place after the jet age started.
I would only need one, to whizz around photo recon planes and change the markings every night.If it was available a year earlier, would the Gloster E.28/39 be any use in the BoB? It would need to be armed, and available in sufficient quantities for several squadrons.
Ahh...the 1250hp on the Cyclone was a typo.Except those are the powers (both engines were 1200hp, the wright was not 1250hp) for take-off and/or low gear.
The only jet that had flown before the start of the Bob, was the He178 (1939).I always think its a bit odd that the Battle of Britain took place after the jet age started.
Don't get old, your memory goes all to hell! I read the book sophomore in high school. Guess it's time to read it again. It was a good read. Thanks for the nudge. Steinbeck was good reading. Cannery Row, Grapes of Wrath, and Travels with Charley in Search of America should get me through the months of hibernation coming up.Not to be picky (Me picky? Hard to fathom I know) but I believe in the book, it was a Hudson Sedan converted into a truck, in the John Ford 1940 movie, it was a 1926 Hudson Super Six.
Hudson manufactured pickups based on their Super Six sedan through 1947Not to be picky (Me picky? Hard to fathom I know) but I believe in the book, it was a Hudson Sedan converted into a truck, in the John Ford 1940 movie, it was a 1926 Hudson Super Six.
Despite carrying a heavier armament, the P-39D outclimbed, outsped and had a higher ceiling than the P-40E. Below is the Australian tests of the Boomerang, Hurricane IIB, Spitfire VC, P-39D and P-40E. The P-40E came out worse than the P-39 on everything except range.The P-39 had a considerable amount of issues, there is no way it was going to be on the level of the P-40 (which served on ALL fronts from the start of the war to the finish) or the Mustang/P-51/A-36....
No disagreement there, the P-40 was overweight its whole life, even in the stripped down "Gypsy Rose-Lee" versions.The P-40 was heavier than the other fighters you list.....
But the P-40F with the Merlin had far superior altitude performance than the lighter P-40E, so the Allison engine is the cause of the resulting effect......That affected the ceiling. Do not confuse cause and effect......
The higher figure seems to relate to a few Flying Tiger P-40Bs which had hand-built engines built from spares. These were closer to the RAF's and Rolls-Royce's practice of "fitting" engines (assembling from carefully matched parts for the best performance), whilst the average Allison that saw USAAC service was assembled to loser, mass-production tolerances. The RAF method was a headache for spares and servicing, but was valued for the extra performance. I'm not saying the Allison was a bad design overall, in fact it was a good and reliable design, but the early variants had a low rated altitude, and the USAAC's fixation with turbocharging meant it never got a good mechanical supercharger until too late......Ratings for the V-1710-33 seem to be a bit scattered but include 1090hp at 13,200ft and 1040hp at 14,300ft.
There was some disagreement between Allison and the army over these ratings as the army wanted the Higher HP rating.......
Figures are for the DB601A in the Bf109E-3 as tested by the Luftwaffe in May 1940, so representative of E-3s and E-4s at the time in question......Which Db 601A? The A-0, the A-1 or the Aa?......
The original argument was that the Allison did not have a rated altitude lower than competitors, whereas my examples show otherwise......we are also discussing what an airplane was 'designed" to do. The D. 520 was on it's 4th version of the Hispano engine when it got to the -49 version. most of the production models were built with the-45 engine which had a critical altitude of 4200 meters (and 920hp at that altitude) earlier prototypes had the -31 engine with a critical altitude of 3250 meters.......
Not the P-39. The XP-39's mid-engined design gave space for the turbocharged Allison V-1710-17 , it was NACA that dumped the turbo, killing altitude performance, in the quest for level speed at lower altitudes. A turbocharged P-39 would probably have had some of the issues the P-38 had in the ETO, but they could have been sorted with the same amount of effort as was thrown at the mediocre P-40. As it was, the P-39 was developed into the P-63, which was far superior to any frontline P-40......Both the P-40 and the P-39 were built with the highest altitude engines the Army could get at the time.....
The "1200Lbs of Allison armor" quote is a much-repeated myth, Welch said he never said it. Curtis had a lot money, a lot of Army and political support, and seem to have been responsible for some of the P-39-bashing, though I don't know if they were responsible for the "1200Lbs" quote. Bell's biggest problem was they were a tiny company by comparison, with few friends in either House.Interesting bit about Lt. Welch - he shot down more Japanese in a P-40 (4) than the did in a P-39 (3 - which included two Vals on 7 December 42), and when asked about his favorite aspect of the P-39, his answer was "well...it has 1,200 pounds of Allison armor plate..."
He repeatedly asked to be assigned to a unit that was equipped with P-38s (which eventually happened with which he scored nine more victories).
In short, Welch did not like the P-39.
Well, Mr. Hitler would have liked to have avoided the whole event seeing as he had a pressing engagement with Mr. Stalin, but a certain Mr. Chruchill rudely insisted on going first.I always think its a bit odd that the Battle of Britain took place after the jet age started.
The higher figure seems to relate to a few Flying Tiger P-40Bs which had hand-built engines built from spares. These were closer to the RAF's and Rolls-Royce's practice of "fitting" engines (assembling from carefully matched parts for the best performance), whilst the average Allison that saw USAAC service was assembled to loser, mass-production tolerances. The RAF method was a headache for spares and servicing, but was valued for the extra performance.
Who's buying the airplane? NACA's certainly not. They don't have the authority to change the design, only make recommendations. The buyer (USAAC) is the final authority, and NACA's work had to be at their bidding, and to achieve their goals. A high top speed number is good advertising, but a siren song if achieved at the cost of too many other important qualities. I remember reading somewhere that the wing area was reduced to gain the "clipped wing effect" for speed purposes, negatively affecting ceiling and turning ability.it was NACA that dumped the turbo, killing altitude performance, in the quest for level speed at lower altitudes.
Jesus wept will this myth never die.
How the hell did the RAF and Rolls Royce find the time and the highly skilled workers to assemble 105,000 Merlins from carefully matched parts by hand during a war.
I have no definitive figures on hours, but I was told by a wartime 112Sq fitter that the a new Merlin III required twice as much preparation and ongoing servicing time compared to the Allisons in the Tomahawks. By prep time, I assumed he meant getting a new Merlin or Allison unboxed and installed into an airframe ready for an operational sortie, and then keeping it running after daily operational use. His experience was from servicing Hurricanes in the BoB and then being sent out to the Desert to 112Sq in late 1941, so it would be the relevant time period and engine models.Jesus wept will this myth never die.
How the hell did the RAF and Rolls Royce find the time and the highly skilled workers to assemble 105,000 Merlins from carefully matched parts by hand during a war.
I agree the tech was a challenge, but Bell did an excellent job of squeezing the engine and turbo into the XP-39. Here's a shot of the original prototype, apart from the bulky cooler on the left of the fuselage (probably less draggy than the P-40B's radiator), the airframe is very clean and tidy, and smaller than the P-40. Smallness equals lightness. As regards the turbo, things would only have improved for the P-39 if they had stuck with the turbo, as they would have benefited from the resources spent on getting the P-38's turbos to work......I think it's been established elsewhere on this forum that a neat low drag turbocharger on the P39 was not possible with the turbo technology of the time, due to the small airframe and cluttered internal space......
?? Do you mean the later underwing .50 gunpods on the P-39Qs? Or are you referring to the possibility of the center of gravity moving aft if the if the empty brass from the nose weapons was expelled rather than captured inside the nose? The mix of three weapons (cannon, .30 and .50 MGs) did present aiming issues with their different trajectories, and complicated the supply side......Also, I believe the armament installation on some of the D models badly hurt performance......
The myth now produces engines of better or worse performance depending on your needs.Jesus wept will this myth never die.
How the hell did the RAF and Rolls Royce find the time and the highly skilled workers to assemble 105,000 Merlins from carefully matched parts by hand during a war.