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And yet Welch still only tangled with Japanese aircraft once whilst flying the P-39D in New Guinea. Same with Boyd. Yet in the one chance they got, they both shot down three enemy aircraft each.
Thinking about it, it may have been Churchill calling Adolf a corporal with an Italian poodle that got the argument started.That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard !
So following your logic.
Hitler invades mainland europe, he then turns to Britain and says surrender or else.
Britain doesnt surrender so its Britains fault the Battle of Britain starts !
Wow
Or chanted" two world wars and one world cup doo dah ! "Thinking about it, it may have been Churchill calling Adolf a corporal with an Italian poodle that got the argument started.
Huh? Don't even have TV. Ain't no signal in this hole in the hills, and I won't pay Comcast's prices. When I did have it I hardly ever watched. Too much fatuous drivel. I've got several radio stations across the political spectrum I like to listen to, mostly of the less hysterical variety. It's amazing how different the narratives of the same event can be depending on the biases of the speaker. "Truth" becomes a synthesis. No wonder we're so tribalized; we see the world through different lenses.You've been watching CNN again I see...
Huh? Don't even have TV. Ain't no signal in this hole in the hills, and I won't pay Comcast's prices. When I did have it I hardly ever watched. Too much fatuous drivel. I've got several radio stations across the political spectrum I like to listen to, mostly of the less hysterical variety. It's amazing how different the narratives of the same event can be depending on the biases of the speaker. "Truth" becomes a synthesis. No wonder we're so tribalized; we see the world through different lenses.
Now let me guess; Fox was always spot on and CNN not even close right?[/QUOTE]Hands down one of those two was almost spot on almost every time and the other not even close.
Now let me guess; Fox was always spot on and CNN not even close right?
HUGE difference between the P-39 of 1942 and 1944.
To touch back on Welch for just a moment, he was flying a P-40B when he downed those four A6Ms (and two probable), not a P-40E, not a P-40N, etc.
As for "distances", you do realize the 36th FS was based out of Milne Bay (New Guinea) from the latter half of 1942, right?
That puts them well within range of IJA AND IJA air elements.
Even prior to that, the 36th FS escorted B-26s of the 33rd BG to New Guinea and back from Port Moresby, so I'm not following the range issue.
And then, we have a single VVS ace being used to prop up the uber-P-39 thing. There were thousands of P-39s produced, so it would seem that out of the many pilots who flew it, there would be more than one (or two, if we count the other pilot who the P-38 fans or Curtiss or whoever is trying to discredit) that would have spoken up for it.
Also, Pokryshkin's unit converted to La-7s in 1944 - although there is rumors that he flew a P-63 later. But the fact remains, that he was not flying a P-39 by 1944.
Even prior to that, the 36th FS escorted B-26s of the 33rd BG to New Guinea and back from Port Moresby, so I'm not following the range issue.
Yep, I meant targets from Port Moresby in New Guinea. Posts get weird when I try and edit a post with this phone before posting.Port Moresby is in New Guinea.
You are not understanding the basis of the whole premise. Hitler needed a quick War. Hitler's grand war plan required the British to simply accept a truce after Hitler had defeated France, then Hitler would be free to attack the USSR. Hitler simply didn't allow for another option, and even hoped that the British Empire would then join him in attacking the USSR! Senior British politicians like Lord Halifax actually wanted to agree a truce, and it took the intervention of Chamberlain to actually give Churchill the power to overrule the cabinet and tell Hitler to get stuffed.That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard !
So following your logic.
Hitler invades mainland europe, he then turns to Britain and says surrender or else.
Britain doesnt surrender so its Britains fault the Battle of Britain starts !
Wow
Lord Halifax did want to be the PM to replace Chamberlain, but turned it down rather than suffer the embarrassment of a political defeat when he realised Churchill had more backing in Parliament. As Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax was one of the appeasers from Chamberlain's government that had given Hitler everything Hitler demanded, and was one of the reasons Hitler assumed the British were bluffing when they said they would go to war if Poland was invaded.The UK built a navy airforce and air defence system just to surrender without a shot being fired. If that was the aim, Halifax would have been made PM.
so Hitler is the good guy for just wanting to be left alone to conquer mainland Europe inc the USSR without interference and Churchill the villain for forcing Hitler to fight the RAF thus making the war last longer and cause more deaths and destruction ?You are not understanding the basis of the whole premise. Hitler needed a quick War. Hitler's grand war plan required the British to simply accept a truce after Hitler had defeated France, then Hitler would be free to attack the USSR. Hitler simply didn't allow for another option, and even hoped that the British Empire would then join him in attacking the USSR! Senior British politicians like Lord Halifax actually wanted to agree a truce, and it took the intervention of Chamberlain to actually give Churchill the power to overrule the cabinet and tell Hitler to get stuffed.
Now, Britain could have done a France and agreed an armistice. After all, the British Army was shattered, the RAF were doubtful that Fighter Command had enough fighters, and the German propaganda was making out that Germany had a massive advantage in aircraft. Hitler was willing to offer the British what was essentially a carving up of the World into zones for non-competing British and German empires. It was arguably a better idea (as proposed by Lord Halifax) to have accepted terms and let Germany rule Europe.
But Churchill knew that the Germans could not survive a long war because Germany did not have the right industrial balance and access to strategic materials, and that the longer the war dragged on the more the advantage would swing to Britain, especially with the backing of the industrial might of the USA. He was fairly confident (being a naval guy) that the Germans could not cross the Channel without the Luftwaffe first defeating the RAF and then the RN. So Churchill deliberately rebuffed Hitler, knowing that it would start the attack on the UK that Hitler could (most likely) not win. So, yes, Churchill deliberately forced Hitler to attack the UK.
Did I ever say Hitler was "the good guy"? Yeah, keep beating that strawman.so Hitler is the good guy for just wanting to be left alone to conquer mainland Europe inc the USSR without interference and Churchill the villain for forcing Hitler to fight the RAF thus making the war last longer and cause more deaths and destruction ?
Did I ever say Hitler was "the good guy"? Yeah, keep beating that strawman.
Hitler had no grand plan, show me any planning for an attack and invasion of England before France was about to fall. The German military were as surprised as everyone else by the fall of France.You are not understanding the basis of the whole premise. Hitler needed a quick War. Hitler's grand war plan required the British to simply accept a truce after Hitler had defeated France, then Hitler would be free to attack the USSR. Hitler simply didn't allow for another option, and even hoped that the British Empire would then join him in attacking the USSR! Senior British politicians like Lord Halifax actually wanted to agree a truce, and it took the intervention of Chamberlain to actually give Churchill the power to overrule the cabinet and tell Hitler to get stuffed.
Now, Britain could have done a France and agreed an armistice. After all, the British Army was shattered, the RAF were doubtful that Fighter Command had enough fighters, and the German propaganda was making out that Germany had a massive advantage in aircraft. Hitler was willing to offer the British what was essentially a carving up of the World into zones for non-competing British and German empires. It was arguably a better idea (as proposed by Lord Halifax) to have accepted terms and let Germany rule Europe.
But Churchill knew that the Germans could not survive a long war because Germany did not have the right industrial balance and access to strategic materials, and that the longer the war dragged on the more the advantage would swing to Britain, especially with the backing of the industrial might of the USA. He was fairly confident (being a naval guy) that the Germans could not cross the Channel without the Luftwaffe first defeating the RAF and then the RN. So Churchill deliberately rebuffed Hitler, knowing that it would start the attack on the UK that Hitler could (most likely) not win. So, yes, Churchill deliberately forced Hitler to attack the UK.