Then why did you bring it up in the "Worst Aircraft" thread?
I think he answered Vraciu.
Worst aircraft of WW2?
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I think he answered Vraciu.
Then he needs to start using the quote button!
The Finnish loved the Buffalo, they just learned to fly it to its strengths and did just fine. It can' be that crap
Vraciu
Airman
B-17engineer said:
For German fighters was excellent! They can shot down Il-2 so easy...
I don't think so. The a/c was quite effective. Maybe not the best, but definately a good close support a/c. I think the quality of the russian pilots contributed more to the a/c being shot down than the quality of the plane.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The Il-2 was pretty much a sitting duck aganst enemy fighters. And as long as they had decent cannon it wasn't too hard to deal with. (and even with machine guns alone the belly mounted oil cooler was a big target) It needed decent fighter support to survive.
Certainly not the worst a/c though.
I think that's pretty much down to the Ba.88, Roc, Me 210, and maybe a couple others.
Certainly not the worst a/c though.
I think that's pretty much down to the Ba.88, Roc, Me 210, and maybe a couple others.
KK
I would not call the oil cooler of Il-2 as a big target. And it wasn't so easy to hit under fuselage oil-cooler when Il-2 was hedge-hopping. Il-2 wasn't invulnerable, there was a couple effective ways to deal it, but one needed deflection shooting and the other usually meant use of lot of ammo. Normal 109 was a bit weakly armed on Il-busting, R/6s had enough firepower for the job as had 190As. Of course for a good shooter normal 109 was usually enough but sometimes even them were frustrated seeing smoking Il-2 still staying airborne after they had shot their ammo at it.
Juha
I would not call the oil cooler of Il-2 as a big target. And it wasn't so easy to hit under fuselage oil-cooler when Il-2 was hedge-hopping. Il-2 wasn't invulnerable, there was a couple effective ways to deal it, but one needed deflection shooting and the other usually meant use of lot of ammo. Normal 109 was a bit weakly armed on Il-busting, R/6s had enough firepower for the job as had 190As. Of course for a good shooter normal 109 was usually enough but sometimes even them were frustrated seeing smoking Il-2 still staying airborne after they had shot their ammo at it.
Juha
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
I wouldn't want to try to take one down in a Hurricane Mk.I or a Hawk 75 though.
Did the Finns have success against them in Brewsters?
And the oil cooler would be vulnerable to ground fire too. (It seems odd though, they go through the trouble of burrying the radiator behind the engine, but put the oil cooler on the belly)
Did the Finns have success against them in Brewsters?
And the oil cooler would be vulnerable to ground fire too. (It seems odd though, they go through the trouble of burrying the radiator behind the engine, but put the oil cooler on the belly)
KK
I cannot remember how it was with B-239 but Hawk 75As seemed to have shot down (I mean really shot down not merely claimed) 5 Il-2s, but it was hard and difficult, usually they were only capable to damage Il-2s.
IIRC oil cooled was in armoured tunnel so it was vulnerable only to fire from more to less straight ahead or from more to less straight from behind. Maybe VVS calculated that Il-2s flying near front line were more likely to reach own area when hit into oil cooler that when hit into radiator and so recoverable for repairs and further use.
And worst a/c candidates, Breda Br. 88, Saro Lerwick and Blackburn Botha
Juha
I cannot remember how it was with B-239 but Hawk 75As seemed to have shot down (I mean really shot down not merely claimed) 5 Il-2s, but it was hard and difficult, usually they were only capable to damage Il-2s.
IIRC oil cooled was in armoured tunnel so it was vulnerable only to fire from more to less straight ahead or from more to less straight from behind. Maybe VVS calculated that Il-2s flying near front line were more likely to reach own area when hit into oil cooler that when hit into radiator and so recoverable for repairs and further use.
And worst a/c candidates, Breda Br. 88, Saro Lerwick and Blackburn Botha
Juha
Vraciu
Airman
Quality of Russian planes in 1941/1942 was as poor as quality of crews of those planes.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
Vraciu
Airman
Ramirezzz said:
Yes, all of them.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
so such aircrafts like Pe-2, La-5FN, Yak-9, Tu-2 are the worst planes of WW2 as well?
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The Yak-1, Yak-7, LaGG-3, La-5, and MiG-3 weren't too bad either.
Vraciu
Airman
They were building by poor, analphabetical Russians and quality of them 1941/1942 was horrible.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
I think he meant illiterate.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
Yep, I think so too. And I'm wondering what kind of illitaracy exactly he meant here. And who were the workers at the Soviet aircraft plants according to his opinion. Some kind of peasants I believe.
Phantom Rocks
Recruit
any1 heard of the BV-141, that is one hopeless plane.
