You need to work on improving your reading comprehension skills. The original quesion posed was:"
If Germany had the allies heavy bombers would they have won the war?
For someone who was rather sensitive about being insulted earlier you seem pretty quick to throw out insults of your own.
I would question whether you have actually read the 5 or so pages that preceded your post here.
Clearly, self evident Germany had that option in 1937 of entering the war with 4 engined bombers, so we are not discusssing URAL bombers pitted against Spitfire Mk. XIV WITH 20mm cannon in 1940 , or 1941.
Logically,
We are only discussing the JU89 v Spitfire Mk l, or Mk ll with 8 browning guns.
Please show me where I referred to Spitfire MK XIVs
From you own post.
"Modification 420 provided additional heating for Browning guns," but
it was only applied to the Mark IIb & Vb, Mod 420 only went into production from 6-2-42; until 20-8-42,
So you referenced a modification done to the MK IIb and Vb which usually had a single 20mm and two .303s in each wing, NOT the gun set up in the picture you provided. This weapon set up was not used until the spring of 1941 so it is also irrelevant to whether the eight gun set up had adequate heating or not in 1940. As I tried to explain in the early post the larger 20mm cannon and feed system blocked some of the heating system of the eight machine gun wing.
If you cant deal with logical development of an argument please go and debate this with your own fevered imagination. So opposing the Ju89 flying missions over England pilot officer Biggles roars up to 23,000ft , but because, his guns are frozen he has no option other than to slide back his canopy and throw his shoe at the mighty Junkers bomber: Reality, deal with it.
Actually Biggles would have used his Webley-Fosbery revolver.
And the Luftwaffe could not pick and chose which British fighters intercepted theri formations. deal with it.
On On 4 June 1938, the Junkers Ju89 achieved a new Payload/Altitude World Record using the second prototype D-ALAT with 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) payload at an altitude of 30,500 ft.
Deal with it.
AH yes, a record setting flight, tell me, were any defensive guns fitted? I believe the answer is no.
How many crewmen on the flight? the full crew of nine or fewer?
What was the duration of the flight? 1 1/2 or 2 hours?
Carry just enough fuel to reach the desired altitude and get back down again?
Service ceiling (which is usually for normal gross weight) is given as 22,960 ft for the unarmed V2 prototype. Granted service versions would have had more powerful engines but they also would have had more drag (or no defensive guns?) and more operational equipment.
That is reality.
this is not a strawman hypothesis debate about how fast or high a Hurricane could fly
You are right, it is not a strawman argument. The last sentence in your first post.
"The JU89 would have
ruled uncontested in UK skies if used early in the Battle of Britain"
Since the Hurricane made up almost 2/3s of the interceptors in the BoB wither the guns on the Spitfire froze or not (not) the Ju 89 would have faced a number of squadrons/groups of fighters contesting it's flights in UK skies regardless if it was used early or late in the Battle of Britain.
Reality, deal with it.