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Well if Emac44 wanted to but he does not seem to go on with the conversation so it is cool.
My high school had an aeronautics class. The instructor was a former Dauntless gunner who participated in the Battle of Midway - his descriptions is just as most of our history books depict the battle.In an earlier post on this thread someone stated that it was not true that the SBDs at Midway caught the IJN carriers with their flight decks full of armed A/C ready to take off for a strike. The best researched book I have ever seen on the activities of US Navy air at Midway is THE FIRST TEAM by John B Lundstrom, Naval Institute Press, 1984. He states that at 1020 the flagship Akagi gave the signal to launch planes. Ten or so minutes later the flight decks of the 4 carriers would have been clear of planes. At 1022 McClusky pushed over on the Kaga along with 24 other SBDs. At 1025 5 SBDs attacked Akagi just as the first fighters began to roll off her flight deck. They hit her with 2 1000 lb bombs. Leslie's SBDs attacked Soryu only minutes later. Her flight deck was shattered by 3 1000 lb bombs and her 18 carrier bombers exploded in flames. In her hangar 9 armed carrier attack planes scorched her insides. In 5 minutes the Japanese lost the battle of Midway. It doesn't sound to me that there is any myth there.
Book that came out around Christmas of '05 says the decks were clear. Name of the book is "Shattered Sword" Good book, decent read. Also states that the Zeros were back on station by the time the Dive Bombers came as the Devastators were destroyed about an hour earlier.
On a side note and one very good point mentioned in the book was about the Zero cap over the Japanese fleet. As the Japanese had no Radar, there was no radar direction. There was no fighter director (in it's infancy in the US fleet but still there). The Zero Cap was directed by the flight leaders. As such, it acted organically and was not directed by a central intercept command. In short, the Zeros acted much as white blood cells do when a foriegn bacteria invades a body. The Japanese ships would fire AAA at the ships which would alert the Zeros. As a consequence, any Zero that saw the AAA would react and head for the intruding bombers. There was no reserve, there were no waves of fighters attacking (producing a target rich environment). It was more of a bum rush, everybody into the pool and smother the incoming attack. The US Divebomber attacks came from different directions at the same time, unintentionally but very effectively exploiting the weakness of the Japanese Cap.
So says the book. It was very interesting reading.
On the other hand...
FBJ's teacher was there and saw it. Granted, any trial lawyer will tell you that memory is faulty, snap glimpses of an incident can be very error prone and as a tail gunner in an SBD, he was probably very busy and maybe too busy to make an accurate accessment. But he says the decks were full. The book says they were clear with a strike below decks on the way to be spotted.
But still, he was there.
That's the part about history that gets to me. Two competing and very credible opinions of an account. One, researched to the hilt, the other, first person.
Which one?
No matter how you slice it, 4 Japanese carriers sunk that day....
"They said it on TV so it must be true".
Not everything on TV is true???
hence the naming of Kelly AFBNot a myth now but was during the war and after for a while was that Colin Kelly in a B17 sank the Haruna off the Philipines on the mission when he was shot down and killed. Also that many of the IJN ships that were sunk at Midway were sunk from high altitude by B17s.
Not a myth now but was during the war and after for a while was that Colin Kelly in a B17 sank the Haruna off the Philipines on the mission when he was shot down and killed. Also that many of the IJN ships that were sunk at Midway were sunk from high altitude by B17s.
I haven't read much about B-17 anti-shipping success in the Pacific. Does any one have more info? What kind of bombs did they use against naval vessels? What type of Bomb run/formation? Success rate?