1/72 Catalina help

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  1. s1chris

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    Howdy, could anybody recommend a 1/72 catalina PBY-5 kit? I need to model a 1943 RAF Mk 1b of 130 OTU FP149 crashed loch Erne.

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    Either the Academy kit or the Revell one.

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    Thanks very much. Ebay here I come. Are you aware of any difference between the RAF and US aircraft?
    cheers Chris
     
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    I'm not a big fan of flying boats so Airframes is the man you should ask methinks.
     
  5. s1chris

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    Will wait with anticipation. The reason I ask is because I had seen the revell kit at a good price but as its a Mk2a I was unsure if it was majorly different to the Mk1b.

    Cheers Chris
     
  6. Airframes

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    Jan (Lucky 13) is probably the one to tell you what's what. He's visiting his folks back in Sweden at the moment, but will probably be popping in now and then.
    Off the top of my head, without checking references, I think the Mk1 and Mk1B were non amphibious - i.e. no retracting wheels, and possibly the smaller fin and rudder, but Jan should know.
     
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    Here some of info I have found via the net. I hope it can help...

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    So you need the Revell kit or the one of Academy below..

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    Excellent thanks, will be clicking buy ASAP. The Revell kit is most attractively priced at the minute. Hang fire for 1001 questions about RAF colour schemes when it arrives.

    Cheers Chris
     
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    No problemo. :thumbright: :thumbleft:
     
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    Like many American military aircraft of the period the Consolidated Catalina actually gained its first combat experience in British hands. The Air Ministry purchased a single example of the PBY-4 (as the commercial Model 28-5) in 1939, and in July 1939 the aircraft flew across the Atlantic to the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment at Felixstowe, Suffolk to undergo tests. Even though these tests were cut short by the outbreak of the Second World War, the RAF still decided to place an order for the Catalina. The first of around 700 Catalinas to enter RAF service arrived early in 1941, and entered service with Nos.209 and 240 Squadrons of Coastal Command.

    Sources differ on who was responsible for the use of the name Catalina, with both the RAF and Consolidated being given the credit. Catalina Island is off the coast of California, close to Los Angeles, and not too distant from Consolidated at San Diego. The RAF did prefer to give American aircraft names that reflected their country of origin, while Consolidated also named their aircraft. In either case the RAF knew the aircraft as the Catalina from 1939, while the US Navy did not adopt the name until 1 October 1941, when the vast majority of existing types of service aircraft were given names.

    Coastal Command in Home Waters

    The Catalina first saw active war service with RAF Coastal Command, before the United States entered the Second World War, but it was never present in British waters in large numbers. Seven squadrons operated the Catalina from Britain and two briefly from Iceland, giving the often quoted total of nine Coastal Command squadrons. However of these squadrons six used the Catalina with Coastal Command for less than a year, and only No.210 Squadron retained the Catalina in British from its introduction in 1941 until the end of the war. At no point were there more than three squadrons operating the Catalina from Britain.

    Despite this limited level of use, the Catalina squadrons did produce some noteworthy achievements with Coastal Command. On 26 May 1941 it was a Catalina from No.209 Squadron that located the Bismarck, after the Navy lost radar contact with the German battleship, and Catalinas of No.240 Squadron shadowed her until surface ships regained contact. This was a rare example of the Catalina acting as the “eyes of the fleet” for the Royal Navy, a role that was normally performed by land based aircraft. Towards the end of the war, on 7 May 1945, a Catalina of No.210 squadron sank the 196th and last U-boat claimed by Coastal Command.

    India and the Far East

    Consolidated Catalina coming in to land, Sri Lanka The Catalina was far more important on overseas stations, where its ability to operate from any suitable stretch of water was much more important than in Britain. Nine squadrons would operate the Catalina from bases in India and Sri Lanka, flying anti-submarine patrols, convoy escort and air sea rescue missions over the Indian Ocean, as well as dropping agents on the coasts of occupied Burma and Malaya.

    No.205 Squadron was equipped with the Catalina early in 1941, and at the time of the Japanese attack was operating from Singapore and Sri Lanka. The squadron was then sucked into the fighting in the Dutch East Indies, suffering heavy losses before eventually reaching Australia in March 1942 with only two aircraft remaining. The squadron was then moved back to India to reform, and spent the rest of the war involved in the same routine as the newer Catalina squadrons.

    Africa

    AfricaSix Catalina squadrons operated from bases around the coast of Africa, four in East Africa and two in West Africa. These squadrons performed the same mix of anti-submarine, convoy escort and air-sea rescue missions as the Indian based squadrons, but in an area where there was relatively little enemy activity. As a result the routine for the crews in these squadrons was one of long periods of dull routine patrols over vast expanses of empty ocean, interrupted with sudden bursts of activity.

    Variants

    Catalina I

    The designation Catalina I was given to 100 PBY-5s purchased directly by the RAF. The Catalina I was given British equipment, including six Vickers machine guns – one in the nose, one in the rear tunnel and a twin gun on a manual mounting in each of the blister windows.

    Catalina IA

    The Catalina IA was the RAF designation for fourteen Model 28-5 AMCs produced in November-December 1941 for the RCAF.

    Catalina IB

    The Catalina IB was the designation given to 225 aircraft built by Consolidated as the PBY-5B. Of these aircraft 60 were retained by the US Navy, leaving 165 for the RAF. The change of designation from Catalina I or PBY-5 was probably due to the start of lend-lease –the Catalina Is purchased directly by the RAF had not needed a US Navy designation, but all lend-lease equipment had to have an official American designation

    Catalina II

    The designation Catalina II was given to 7 PBY-5s purchased directly by the RAF. They carried slightly different equipment to the Catalina I, although of three squadrons to operate the Catalina II only one did not use it alongside the Mk.I.

    Catalina IIA

    The designation Catalina IIA was given to 36 PBV-1s built by Canadian Vickers, and identical to the PBY-5.

    Catalina IIIA

    The designation Catalina IIIA was given to eleven PBY-5As, the only examples of the Amphibian version of the Catalina to enter RAF service. They came from a batch of PBY-5As delivered between December 1941 and March 1942, and spent most of their RAF career operating as part of a trans-Atlantic ferry service.

    Catalina IVA

    The designation Catalina IVA was given to 97 PBY-5s.

    Catalina IVB

    The designation Catalina IVB was given to 194 (193 in some sources) Boeing of Canada PB2B-1 Catalinas purchased by the RAF. The PB2B-1 was identical to the PBY-5. Boeing actually built 240 examples of this aircraft between July 1943 and October 1944, of which 34 went to New Zealand, 7 to Australia and 5 to the US Navy.

    Catalina V

    The designation Catalina V was reserved for the PBN-1 Nomad, but none of that aircraft entered RAF service, and so the designation was never used.

    Catalina VI

    The Catalina VI was the RAF designation for the Boeing of Canada produced PB2B-2, which was effectively a PBY-6A but without the landing gear.
     
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    Good info old boy - I thought you'd know the answer!
     
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    Well that's a definitive answer for sure. Thanks Lucky13
    Any idea on the colour schemes?

    Cheers Chris
     
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    Oh Oh! Now you've started it!
    He'll be filling pages with that info - it would depend on where, when etc, as there were a number of variations of the two, or three, basic colour schemes.
     
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    No problem Chris, you're welcome....

    As young Master Terry says..... A few variations.

    Take it away old boy! ;)
     
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    Well lets see if we can crash it!

    Catalina 1b FP194, RAF 130 OTU, Crashed 10th May 1943. crashed Loch Erne. Any details will be appreciated.

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    Can't find anything about 130 OTU but Airfix has a 1/72 131 OTU Cat based out of Killidas N.Ireland.

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    Thanks Geo, I had the same trouble and suspect it may be a typing error in the data sheet I found it on. It does however reference aircraft at both 130 and 131 OTU multiple times. I would guess that the paint scheme would have been the same in both?

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    131 may be your squadron though...the aircraft was based in Northern Ireland and crashed there, the date being consistent as well.

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