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The 99-1 was firing a shell of about equal weight as Hispano, so it might got the same marks just based on that. It would score significantly lower than the Hispano II, though, in the USN equation.
In case the Yamatos are cancelled, scraping the old battlewagons will put the IJN in a big disadvantage.
I'm surprised they did not replace the twin 7.7mm with a pair of 13.2mm's, these were fairly similar to the US .50. And it's only about an extra 40 pounds per gun, plus of course the ammo. Seems like it would make a lot more sense than the 7.7mm's.
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Considering there was very little battleship surface combat during the war, it would not really hurt the Japanese. Only the Kongo class saw much combat other than the Suriago straight massacre.
For the battleships to be effective as AA, there would need to be a change in doctrine, where the Japanese stay in formation to rely on AA as opposed to scurrying around to avoid being hit. I'm not sure how well the strategy would have worked for the Japanese unless they had dramatically upgraded their AA capabilities.
US. 50 cal ammo weighed about 30lbs per hundred so going to 200rpg adds another 60lbs. More ammo????
The US .50 didn't like synchronization much and had a rather low rate of fire when firing through a prop. Did the Japanese fix it or just put up with it? Two 13.2s at 450-500rpm or two 7.7mms at around 800rpm?(assuming the 7.7mm guns lost about 100rpm due to the sychonization gear)
Getting the design right, and not trying to hide the true nature of a design, would have yielded massive resources for the Navy and army. Its not an exaggeration to claim the navy could have maintained the same force structure fopr about 30% less outlay, or convewrsely, have been 30% stronger than it was historically, if the Japanese had not tried to hide the true characterisitcs of their ships.
Thi8s was a freebie, representing no loss for the japanese fleet.
Another glaring area of wastage was in the doctrine surrounding their submarinbe fleet. The IBoats of the IJN were perhaps the most advanced submarines in the world in 1941, designed with massive endurance and a sea speed of about 24 knots. They were designed to attack the US fleet as it advanaced across the pacific, attack, then move ahead, then attack again and so on.
Due to unavoidable battle damage, and need for modifications through war, IJN cannot expect to have all of their listed BBs available all the time. That would make 6 BBs too few for the needs of a major navy in the vast expanses of Pacific and, partly, Indian ocean. In case the IJN cannot muster BBs to support lighter surface units, Allied BBs can have a field day once encountering Japanese cruisers.
The battleship Yamato would be necessary at least as a symbol of IJN like a skyscraper
Any tradition is not iron rule, Garyt.
An air power advocate from the time he attended the Japanese Naval Academy, Genda urged Japan's pre-war military leaders to stop building battleships (which he believed would be better used as "piers" or scrap iron) and concentrate on aircraft carriers, submarines, and supporting fast cruisers and destroyers. Above all, Genda thought that modern and large naval air fleet would be necessary for survival if Japan was ever to fight a war with the United States and the United Kingdom as well as their allies. However, Genda's rank—captain—was too low to be of much strategic influence.
BTW - Heavy Cruisers. Torpedoes or no Torpedoes? There was not going to be that huge decisive battle the Japanese had so geared up for, at least not in the way they thought it would unfold. So Torpedoes or no? I'd have to say no, other than perhaps if they really scaled back on battleships giving the heavy cruisers something for opponent's battleships to worry about is not a bad idea.
Another question too - There were 4 old battleships that did not see a ton of action, the Fuso/Yamashiro and Ise/Hyuga. I'm not sure what would be gained from scrapping them, but would that be worth it? I guess what I am asking is what could be done with the raw materials gained from scrapping these vessels?
Heck, even if you get 10 or so Destroyer Escorts for the cost of scrapping one it may not be that bad of an idea. The manpower and support costs at least would be saved.
If this is done and the Yamato's not built, you have the 4 Kongo's and the 2 Nagato's only as far as Japan's battle fleet is concerned.
Scrapping or not building battleships to ostensibly build more carriers would be a waste of resources, since the IJN never had enough planes or pilots to fully equip the carriers they had. the loss of four flat tops at midway was not really a big deal.....but the loss of 250 planes and about 130 aircrew was a crippling blow to the Japanese FAA
You know Shinpachi, after reading this perhaps Genda's best role would have been as top man in the Japanese Navy. LOL
Quite a few ships have been lost due to their own weapons/equipment. In Fact, for battleships (including pre dreadnoughts) more battleships blew up due to their own ammo exploding in harbor than were ever sunk by gunfire only in action
BUT to have a reasonable chance of inflicting the needed damage on the American fleet it needed to be fired in very large numbers. This means as many ships as possiable carrying and firing the max number of torpedoes.
The Jap[anise did in fact get their decive battles......three times actually, and each one they lost.