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A small word in defence of the Halifax, once the Mk III entered service it was a very effective bomber. It suffers by having the earlier versions compared to the Lancaster I, but if you had to choose between the Halifax II and a Manchester, which would you take?
Lancasters flew 156,192 sorties with 3,431 losses (2.20%). 246 were lost to operational accidents (0.16%)
Halifaxes flew 82,773 sorties with 1,884 losses (2.28%). 199 were lost to operational crashes (0.24%)
A study of four Hamburg raids plus raids on Peenemunde and Nuremberg, a total of six raids, showed that from the 126 Lancasters shot down 13.2% of their crews survived.
From the 74 Halifaxes shot down 21.9% survived. In this respect the Halifax was better.
13 Stirlings were shot down on the Hamburg and Peenemunde raids, they did not operate on the Nuremberg raid, and from these 24.0% survived.
Cheers
Steve
The German results generally were no better. They exerted a lot of effort on one target (London) initially, which they could find. They then scattered bombs all over it and the neighbouring Home Counties. The Luftwaffe had many more operational bombers and crews than the RAF in 1939/40, excluding Battles, and I think an argument can be made that the early war Luftwaffe bomber crews were generally better trained than their RAF counterparts. I have seen it said that in September 1939 the RAF could only field 140 medium or heavy bombers. The Luftwaffe's most successful raids were carried out using electronic aids (Knickebein, X-Gerat) and pathfinders, both of which the RAF would adopt variations of with much success later. The problem for the RAF was that the bomber force to a very large extent was designed and trained to operate by day. Having been forced to operate by night put it at a crippling disadvantage from which it took years to recover.
As I see it the trouble with the Halifax is that it took them almost two years to straighten it out.
I am not trying to pretend that it was better than the Lancaster but it develop into a decent aircraft and that the Halifax did suffer a poor reputation due to its earlier version being compared to the Lancaster.
Thanks for this. The numbers are pretty close and can I ask do you know if these loss ratios are from the Mk III onwards?
Thanks for this. I disagree about the 0.08% being significant in the context of comparing the Lancaster I/III against the Halifax III. A good proportion of those Halifax losses would have been the Mk I and II which were much worse than the Lancaster.I can't find a break down of the numbers by sub type I'm afraid. The numbers are for all sub types for their entire operational periods during WW2.
The numbers are superficially close, but nearly 0.08% on 2.2% is a significant difference. For every 100 Lancasters lost 103-104 Halifaxes were lost. For men taking a 50/50 chance on their lives this did tilt the odds even more unfavourably.
The Halifax also suffered a much higher rate of operational crashes, here classified as crashes in the UK by aircraft setting off or returning from operational missions. This rate fell throughout the war due to many reasons, better training, more reliable aircraft, better air traffic control, better diversion procedures etc. None of this excuses the poor performance of the Halifax, though it does excuse to some extent some earlier types like the Whitley with a 1.43% operational crash rate, compared with the Lancaster's 0.16%.
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Steve
A good proportion of those Halifax losses would have been the Mk I and II which were much worse than the Lancaster.
Do we know how many Halifaxes were lost in 1941-42? How much in 1943? 1944-45?