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5" 38 Mark 28 Twin Gun Secondary Battery from Iowa Class Battleships
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syscom3
Pacific Historian
You should just do a 1/48 scale New Jersey and split it in half. LOL
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- #363
Builder 2010
Staff Sergeant
Yeah… I think Ryan thinks I'm going to do that…
The Naval Architectural Firm, Gibbs & Cox, created a 1:48 Missouri model that was originally in the Smithsonian and is now at the Naval Museum at Annapolis, MD. The model is over 19' long and was specatacular in every sense of the word. I saw it years ago at the Smithsonian and have found images of the model on a Google search.
My commander in chief has green-lit my desire to get the 4th gen Elegoo Saturn Ultra 3D printer. Beside 60% increased capacity, it has a new system where the vat tilts as the platen is rising to facilitate separation of the forming model from the FEP film at the vat's bottom. By having the tilt, the separation is not a straight-up pull having large suction, but rather a sheer pull that reduces stress and increases print speed. Try pulling a bandaid straight off instead of peeling it and you get the idea. The ability to produce larger parts is necessary for the engine room project that's going to have some fairly large components in 1:48. I will need a larger ultrasonic cleaner to accomodate the bigger parts.
I'm delivering the 5"38 model on August first and will spend some serious time in Engine Room #3 doing some scans, photos and taking direct measurs on the equipment therein. I'm planning on the trip to the National Archives in October. Hopefully, I'll get what I need in one day.
The Naval Architectural Firm, Gibbs & Cox, created a 1:48 Missouri model that was originally in the Smithsonian and is now at the Naval Museum at Annapolis, MD. The model is over 19' long and was specatacular in every sense of the word. I saw it years ago at the Smithsonian and have found images of the model on a Google search.My commander in chief has green-lit my desire to get the 4th gen Elegoo Saturn Ultra 3D printer. Beside 60% increased capacity, it has a new system where the vat tilts as the platen is rising to facilitate separation of the forming model from the FEP film at the vat's bottom. By having the tilt, the separation is not a straight-up pull having large suction, but rather a sheer pull that reduces stress and increases print speed. Try pulling a bandaid straight off instead of peeling it and you get the idea. The ability to produce larger parts is necessary for the engine room project that's going to have some fairly large components in 1:48. I will need a larger ultrasonic cleaner to accomodate the bigger parts.
I'm delivering the 5"38 model on August first and will spend some serious time in Engine Room #3 doing some scans, photos and taking direct measurs on the equipment therein. I'm planning on the trip to the National Archives in October. Hopefully, I'll get what I need in one day.
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Exciting news on a new 3D printer and look forward to seeing the new project come to life towards the end of this year. 
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- #365
Builder 2010
Staff Sergeant
The P2V-5 model along with the 5"38 project were delivered successfully to all parties. Larry was totally satisfied with his plane. I also learned that his crew got the "Best Crew Award" in 1961. This apparently is a big deal. He was the plane captain and besides handling weapons he also served as flight engineer. I will start working on the stand tomorrow.
I Spent three hours at the Battleship New Jersey. We were able to drive right up to the ship just steps from the elevator on the pier.
From there we (my nephew and I) were able to bring the model directly into the Officer's Ward Room Lounge where the 16" model also resides. This avoided carrying the model down a ship's ladder to Ryan's office as we did with the first model. At that time, Ryan didn't have a final place for it.
I spent time in the lounge talking with Ryan and other docents from the New Jersey. They were very happy with the models and had lots of questions about their construction.
From there we headed to Engine Room #3. #3 is only partially lit as it is not on the public tour route. Engine Room #2, however, was, and we should have started there. We did get there later, but by that time my phone was just about out of juice. I was using a new 3D scanning program, Polycam, which is an energy hog. I did get some scans, but I'm not so sure how valuable they will be. My nephew took about 100 pictures as well. The success (or failure) about this project is going to come down to the quality of drawings I find at the National Archives.
Ryan gave me a wonderful book "A Visual Tour of the Battleship New Jersey" by John M. Miano. John created a beautiful work showing details that I didn't even have when doing my models. I contacted the author and we've shared some communications. I suggested we collaborate since I need all the help I can get doing a 3D model of the engine room. He told me that the drawings he found had blurry details. After further probing, I learned that these WERE NOT the original drawings I'm expecting to examine, In fact, he was unaware of sets of originals at the Archives. That lifeted my spirits. Right now, my wife and I are thinking about a trip to Washington DC in October where I can review the drawings.
Right now, the selected spot is on this small end table. I originally thought to have it next to the 16" model on the bookcase. This may not work because the base is deeper than the bookcase and it sticks out over the edge. We were unable to put it in final position on the bookcase becasue the 16" model is screwed down. It may still end of there. It's Ryan's choice. We were waiting on an extension cord to get its lights on.
Here I am explaining something about its construction showing images on my iPhone to one of the docents.
Walt, our guide was scrutinizing the model. He was a boilerman on a Forrestal class aircraft carrier. He knew his stuff! The only problem with having the model so low is having to get on one's knees to peer inside the magazine. The kids will love it.
You can see the 5"38 base extending out past the bookcase edge in this image with me explaining something to Ryan Syzmanski, the NJ's curator. It may still end up there, especially if the bookcase can be moved away from the wall a little bit.
The engine rooms are reached from Broadway. This is the widest, longest and straightest passage in the ship. It connects all the propulsion spaces and magazines and is on Deck 2. The boiler rooms and magazines are reeched directly through passages, whereas the engines rooms are on deck lower and reached via ship ladders in side compartments. Broadway's walls are lined with damage control stations. It has a heavy beam lining the ceiling where 16" projectiles can be moved from turrets at the ends of Broadway. Sections of the beam are removable at watertight doors to seal the spaces.
This is the hatch down to Engine Room #2.
The engine rooms are massively complex. There is no place where you can visualize the entire space making it very difficult to use images to lay out the space. I believe I can successuflly model the specific operating units. I am not so sure about modeling the room's structure and the piping. Even with over 100 pictures, it's still very difficult to discern what you're actualy viewing. I'm not a novice with machinery and understand what I see, but it's still going to be hugely challenging.
Engine room #2 was well lit. The diamond plate flooring is not how it was during wartime. Underneath is a grating floor. Diamond plate was used for better foorting for public visitation. I believe I can print grating and will use it, if I can. i know I can print diamond plate. The foreground ladder is the one leading from deck 2. The engine rooms occupy 2 levels: Deck 3 and the First Platform. On the left side of the image is the Main Reduction Gear and Low Pressure Turbine. In the center are the degaussing generators, and on the right is one of the two auxiliary turbo-generators that produce ship electric power. Engine room #2 is air conditioned and the open duct is seen on the right. Engine Room #3 was NOT, and it was hot and smelly. All that was lacking were screaming turbines and lots of electric pumps. It was a hearing protection area when alive. This view also shows some of the original floor grating behind the ladder.
This is a detail shot of one of the Turbo-generators showing just how complex the model could be. Modeling all the insulation that wraps all the hot areas is not going to be easy. It may require other modeling techniques such as hand modeling with epoxy putty. Lots of decisions coming.
I Spent three hours at the Battleship New Jersey. We were able to drive right up to the ship just steps from the elevator on the pier.
From there we (my nephew and I) were able to bring the model directly into the Officer's Ward Room Lounge where the 16" model also resides. This avoided carrying the model down a ship's ladder to Ryan's office as we did with the first model. At that time, Ryan didn't have a final place for it.
I spent time in the lounge talking with Ryan and other docents from the New Jersey. They were very happy with the models and had lots of questions about their construction.
From there we headed to Engine Room #3. #3 is only partially lit as it is not on the public tour route. Engine Room #2, however, was, and we should have started there. We did get there later, but by that time my phone was just about out of juice. I was using a new 3D scanning program, Polycam, which is an energy hog. I did get some scans, but I'm not so sure how valuable they will be. My nephew took about 100 pictures as well. The success (or failure) about this project is going to come down to the quality of drawings I find at the National Archives.
Ryan gave me a wonderful book "A Visual Tour of the Battleship New Jersey" by John M. Miano. John created a beautiful work showing details that I didn't even have when doing my models. I contacted the author and we've shared some communications. I suggested we collaborate since I need all the help I can get doing a 3D model of the engine room. He told me that the drawings he found had blurry details. After further probing, I learned that these WERE NOT the original drawings I'm expecting to examine, In fact, he was unaware of sets of originals at the Archives. That lifeted my spirits. Right now, my wife and I are thinking about a trip to Washington DC in October where I can review the drawings.
Right now, the selected spot is on this small end table. I originally thought to have it next to the 16" model on the bookcase. This may not work because the base is deeper than the bookcase and it sticks out over the edge. We were unable to put it in final position on the bookcase becasue the 16" model is screwed down. It may still end of there. It's Ryan's choice. We were waiting on an extension cord to get its lights on.
Here I am explaining something about its construction showing images on my iPhone to one of the docents.
Walt, our guide was scrutinizing the model. He was a boilerman on a Forrestal class aircraft carrier. He knew his stuff! The only problem with having the model so low is having to get on one's knees to peer inside the magazine. The kids will love it.
You can see the 5"38 base extending out past the bookcase edge in this image with me explaining something to Ryan Syzmanski, the NJ's curator. It may still end up there, especially if the bookcase can be moved away from the wall a little bit.
The engine rooms are reached from Broadway. This is the widest, longest and straightest passage in the ship. It connects all the propulsion spaces and magazines and is on Deck 2. The boiler rooms and magazines are reeched directly through passages, whereas the engines rooms are on deck lower and reached via ship ladders in side compartments. Broadway's walls are lined with damage control stations. It has a heavy beam lining the ceiling where 16" projectiles can be moved from turrets at the ends of Broadway. Sections of the beam are removable at watertight doors to seal the spaces.
This is the hatch down to Engine Room #2.
The engine rooms are massively complex. There is no place where you can visualize the entire space making it very difficult to use images to lay out the space. I believe I can successuflly model the specific operating units. I am not so sure about modeling the room's structure and the piping. Even with over 100 pictures, it's still very difficult to discern what you're actualy viewing. I'm not a novice with machinery and understand what I see, but it's still going to be hugely challenging.
Engine room #2 was well lit. The diamond plate flooring is not how it was during wartime. Underneath is a grating floor. Diamond plate was used for better foorting for public visitation. I believe I can print grating and will use it, if I can. i know I can print diamond plate. The foreground ladder is the one leading from deck 2. The engine rooms occupy 2 levels: Deck 3 and the First Platform. On the left side of the image is the Main Reduction Gear and Low Pressure Turbine. In the center are the degaussing generators, and on the right is one of the two auxiliary turbo-generators that produce ship electric power. Engine room #2 is air conditioned and the open duct is seen on the right. Engine Room #3 was NOT, and it was hot and smelly. All that was lacking were screaming turbines and lots of electric pumps. It was a hearing protection area when alive. This view also shows some of the original floor grating behind the ladder.
This is a detail shot of one of the Turbo-generators showing just how complex the model could be. Modeling all the insulation that wraps all the hot areas is not going to be easy. It may require other modeling techniques such as hand modeling with epoxy putty. Lots of decisions coming.
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Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Wow.
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Brilliant and another ambitious project.
N4521U
Colonel
Before long it will be a Whole ship, in sections!!!!!
Great stuff!
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Builder 2010
Staff Sergeant
Please check out the video Ryan Syzmanski (museum's curator) just put out describing the model and its value to the ship.
View: https://youtu.be/XjFvq6CmYRg
View: https://youtu.be/XjFvq6CmYRg
Excellent!
