50 Squadron Hampden's (VN)

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  1. david_layne

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    Looking for pictures of 50 Squadron (VN) Hampdens. Thanks in anticipation.
     
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    Heres some pics of 50 squadrons Hampdens coded VN - The pre-war codes of no 50 squadron were QX i've added a couple of those too

    All were taken from the excellent book, HAMPDEN SQUADRONS IN FOCUS By Mark Postlethwaite...

    Hope they're what you're looking for.

    Regards
    T. 8)
     

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    Many thanks, most helpful.
     
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    Is it possible to determine aircraft number from the Squadron numbers? I would love to find a picture of one my father flew in. I know he flew in VN N on quite a few trips.
     
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    Thanks for the tip on the book. I have ordered it and look forward to getting it.

    HAMPDEN SQUADRONS IN FOCUS By Mark Postlethwaite...
     
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    There is a problem in trying to find production serial numbers based on the squadron code letter, as if an aircraft (say B for Bertie for arguments sake), was lost in an accident, or in combat, or even transferred to another squadron, or given another code letter halfway through its flying career, then another aircraft with obviously a different production serial number would be assigned to the squadron and would be assigned the code "B" to replace the lost one, so there could have been 30 different aircraft over the course of the war that had been called B for Bertie in that particular squadron and of that aircraft type.

    Before I consult my database to see if I can find any serial numbers for that particular code, are we only talking about Hampdens, or are we talking about lancasters as well?
     
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    Thanks again Concorde. My interest is with 50 Squadron Hampdens and 97 Squadron Lancasters. My father flew a tour in both.

    I am familiar with the picture of Lancaster VN N. That picture was taken after my father left 50 Squadron and they had converted to Lancasters.

    He flew in VN N when that squadron code was assigned to a Hampden.
     
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    Below is a rough work in progress list of the Hampdens lost that served with no 50 squadron during WW2.

    Serial No: Date lost Where/How (if known)
    L4080 17-10-39 Training
    L4096 31-10-39 "
    L4063 16/17-3-40 Patrol
    L4064 12-4-40 Kristiansund
    L4073 " "
    L4081 " "
    L4083 " "
    L4065 13/14-4-40 Gardening
    P4289 08-06-40 Training
    L4078 26/27-6-40 Hannover
    P1329 " "
    P4288 09-07-40 Training
    P1321 25/26-07-40 Castrop/Rauxel
    P1327 31/7-1/8-40 Gardening
    P4383 " "
    P4382 10/11-08-40 Training
    P2070 25/26-08-40 Berlin
    P2124 " "
    P1317 26/27-08-40 Leipzig
    L4079 30/31-08-40 Monchengladbach
    P4287 08/09-09-40 Hamburg
    L4097 10/11-09-40 Oostende
    L4062 26/27-09-40 Calais
    X2902 29/30-09-40 Stuttgart
    P4411 30/09-01/10-40 Berlin
    X2896 02/03-10-40 Hamburg
    P4417 05/06-10-40 Koln
    X2993 14/15-10-40 Berlin
    X3000 29/30-10-40 "
    X2907 05/06-11-40 Magdeburg
    X2994 07/08-11-40 Essen
    L4149 10/11-11-40 Mannheim
    X2908 15-11-40 Hamburg
    X3125 25/26-11-40 Kiel
    X3004 07/08-12-40 Dusseldorf
    X3117 10/11-12-40 Mannheim
    X3141 28/29-12-40 Lorient
    X3143 01/02-01-41 Bremen
    X2983 14/15-02-41 Gardening
    X2984 01/02-03-41 Koln
    AD721 12/13-03-41 Berlin
    AD742 20/21-03-41 Gardening
    P4409 01-04-41 Training
    AD753 05-04-41 Brest
    AD830 10-04-41 Training
    AD789 10/11-04-41 Dusseldorf
    AD828 " "
    AD730 17/18-04-41 Berlin
    AD728 28/29-04-41 Gardening
    AD834 " "
    AD867 30-05-41 Air Test
    AD797 02/03-06-41 Dusseldorf
    P4389 18-06-41 Air Test
    X3133 29/30-06-41 Kiel
    AE226 12/13-07-41 Bremen
    AE230 " "
    AD844 16/17-07-41 Hamburg
    AD897 19-07-41 Training
    AD843 23/24-07-41 Frankfurt
    AE234 25/26-07-41 Hannover
    AD902 28/29-07-41 Gardening
    AE159 " "
    AE137 05/06-08-41 Karlsruhe
    AE124 08/09-08-41 Gardening
    P4408 15-08-41 A.S.R. Lost over N.sea
    AE185 17/18-08-41 Bremen
    AE320 25/26-08-41 Mannheim
    X2991 27/28-08-41 "
    AD839 29/30-08-41 Frankfurt
    AE229 " "
    X2919 02/03-09-41 Berlin
    AE157 " Gardening
    AE305 " Berlin
    AE318 07/08-09-41 Kiel
    AD854 08/09-09-41 Kassel
    AE367 12/13-10-41 Huls
    AE251 13/14-10-41 Koln
    AE383 20/21-10-41 Bremen
    AE256 23/24-10-41 Kiel
    AE184 25-10-41 Training
    AE427 06/07-11-41 Gardening
    P1152 15/16-11-41 "
    P1202 31-11-01-12-41 Hamburg
    AE380 15/16-12-41 Oostende
    AE369 27-12-41 Combined Ops
    AE428 " "
    AE250 10/11-01-42 Gardening
    AE420 14/15-01-42 Hamburg
    AE431 " "
    AE381 21-01-42 Training
    AT142 22/23-01-42 Munster
    AE306 07-02-42 Gardening
    AT177 12-02-42 Fuller
    AE394 21/22-02-42 Koblenz
    AE218 27/28-02-42 Kiel
    AE387 07-03-42 Training
    AE400 07/08-03-42 Gardening
    AT173 10/11-03-42 Essen
    AE429 24/25-03-42 Gardening
    L7486 25-03-42 Training
    AT151 25/26-03-42 Essen
    AT158 " Gardening
    AT118 26-03-42 A.S.R.
    AT216 05/06-04-42 Koln

    It was after this period, that 50 squadron converted briefly onto Avro Manchesters their first loss of this type was R5782 17/18-4-42 on raid to Hamburg.

    At this moment in time, i can only confirm a few squadron individual code letters to the above list.

    P4289 VN-X
    L4079 VN-N
    P4287 VN-P
    AE394 VN-M

    The squadron code was VN as you know, and the individual code letters were re-applied to new aircraft sent to replace losses.


    If anyone can fill in the missing blanks - then please do.

    Regards

    TonyO.
     
  9. david_layne

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    Thanks for the information. Is it possible to tell what happened to the aircraft that my father crashed in at Waddington? Was it a write off?
     

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    sorry for the delay in getting back to you, but just changing my work shifts over from nights to days...

    My records are slightly out, re the date times but the rest of the info seems correct...

    The aircraft your father was flying that night was serial no AE116 which force landed in a field near waddington due to fuel shortage on return from operations over copenhagen, but my records show the force landing being timed at 04:00 hours on the morning of the 03/09/1941

    The aircraft was given as Cat. R(b) which means that it was beyond repair on site.

    Regards

    TonyO. :)
     
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    Researching information on 50 Squadron and Pilot Officer William Brandwood (would have been my youngest uncle). who was reported missing 28 July 1941 in AE159 Hampden. I know it was Gardening operation flown from Swinderby and the raid was on Kiel Bay. Can anyone help with more information or photographs.

    Am also researching my Father, John Burrows with 50 Squadron but I have a lot of information on him as the crew stayed in touch and still are to this day. LL940 Lancaster was the main aircraft he flew in as mid upper gunner.

    Also researching Robert Brandwood Burrows with 464 Squadron who was killed aged 33 on Friday 6 October 1944 (would have been my eldest uncle).

    Any information or advice as to where I can find information would be appreciated.

    Thanks - Sally
     
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    My great Uncle Wing Comander N D Crockhart flew 0n P1329 - 27-6-40 Hannover raid
    and was shotdown over Holland and went down in the sea.
    He is burried in CALLANTSOOG CHURCHYARD. I have found the War graves commission
    and a site giving the last messages as "going down 15 miles from the Dutch coast".
    Basher82.nl seems to be unavailable to me, and he seems to have quotes from t
    he war service record - that I can't see!
    David Layne has a scan of a page from the flight log from Waddington Airfield,
    I would love to know how to get that sort of information.
    The collection of photos of 50 squadrons Hampdens coded VN is brilliant.
    I would really be grateful for any pointers.
    Thanks
    Richard
     
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    My Great Uncle was as Flight Sergeant on this 50 Squadron Hampden shot down on the night of 18 August 1941. 551839 Flight Sergeant Peter Francis Barclay Orwin was 19 years old and is buried in Haren Military Cemetary with Flight Sgt Cowell (W Op) and PO Law (Navigator).

    Can anyone tell me any more about his aircraft i.e. AE185 VN ? and crew that night?

    I have found a Dutch report on line which mentions P/O E C Maskell (Pilot) as the only survivor and locals discovering the bodies of FLt Sgt Cowell and P/O Law but no mention of my Great Uncle or the other crew member.

    The link to the Commonwealth War Grave at Haren is below:

    CWGC :: Casualty Results
     
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    AE185 was shot down by Ludwig Becker at 0144 at Paterswolde, 2 miles south of Groningen at 3200 m. They took off from Swinderby at 2255 on Aug.17. It was one of 39 Hampdens and 20 Whitleys sent to Bremen to bomb the Focke-Wulf factory and railway station. Meanwhile, 41 Wellingtons went to Duisberg to bomb railway targets and another 12 Hampdens were sent minelaying, with no losses. Another Hampden, AD837 ( OL-E ) from 83 squadron ditched, after running out of fuel. The crew were picked up by boat.

    There were two Hampdens lost on Sep 2/3 on a minelaying sortie. They were X3144 and AE315, both from 83 squadron. AE116 was in 50 sq, then converted to a torpedo bomber and then with 489 squadron. It was struck off charge June 9, 1944. From that information, I would say no, it was not written off, but rather converted to a torpedo bomber after it suffered damage.
     
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    looking for details of AD721 12/13-03-41 Berlin
    My late uncle was part of the air crew Harry Howell
     
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    Yes, I have quite detailed information on what happened to your Great Uncle. I have a translated police report, and I'm working on the translation of a two page story on the crash.
     
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    The story of the crash of AE185 can now be found at Aircrew Remembered:

    50 Squadron Hamiden I AE185 P/O. Maskell, RAF Swinderby, Ludwig Becker, 4./NJG1, Paterswoldsemeer, Netherlands

    I would very much like to get in touch with user Barclay te exchange information.
     
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    The guy posted here 5 years ago. It is quite long time methinks. All has been changed since that.
     
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    This may or may not help. From ww2talk.com/forums/topic/3723-50-squadron.

    17 - 18 August 1941

    Hampden I AE185 VN- Op: Bremen.
    Took off Swinderby 2255 hrs. Shot down by a night-fighter and crashed 0144 hrs Paterswolde, Holand.
     
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    At 2240hrs on 10/12/1940 50 Squadron Hampden I, X3117, took off from RAF Lindholme to attack Manheim. X3117 was hit by flak it crashed near Trier on the 10 or 11 December 1940.

    It is believed that a previous mission, X2994 VN, crashed in West Raynham, Norfolk on Friday 08/11/1940
    Friday, 08 November 1940.

    X2994 VN is believed to have ditched in the sea. Sgt Atkinson reported to his brother that he received on informal medal from the squadron that was blue in colour to represent a watery landing, green for a land based crash?

    Above info from Chorley's Bomber Command Losses Vol 1,1939-1940, 50 Sqd records and personal information by William Atkinson (brother)

    Flying officer E B Liddell
    Pilot Officer R G Ash
    Sgt E McConnell
    Sgt A S Atkinson

    F/O Liddell's brother was Alvar Lidell MBE, a famous BBC news reader.

    The crew were initally buried in Macken Cemetery and interned in the Rheinberg British cemetery 04/06/1947

    There does seem to be some discrepancy with the details and i would like to be able to update the online records with further information and correct some of the errors, with your help.
     
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