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Well, here's a Navy FJ-1, which eventually led to the F-86. You can see the marked similarity to the P-51 as well as the F-86.Great idea. I'd like to see the original version of the F-86.
A bona fide WWII plane that was still active during the Vietnam War.Douglas XBT2D-1 was ordered in June 1944, Production started in late '45 , and had a designation change to AD-1....
How about this XP-86 concept drawing?I've seen the FJ-1 and yup, I looked for its P-51 DNA. I was hoping for something a bit more obscure.
Despite the name of this forum, there is nothing wrong with a WW2 discussion being taken outside the box, although we have several other areas that discuss aircraft in other eras;The name of this forum is WorldWarIIAircraft (with a .net), so of course we are only supposed to talk about aircraft that were current during the War years. Sometimes a legitimate thread gets a little bit sideways and lets in some World War I discussion, and there are occasional forays into Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War, but for the most part we adhere to the World War II limit.
But does that necessarily restrict us to planes that actually saw combat in the War? Can we not talk about the F8F Bearcat? Well, sometimes we do, and I personally believe this is perfectly legitimate. The Bearcat was a World War II airplane.
B-45, XB-46, XB-48. The B-45 was the first operational multi-engine jet bomber. The last two lost out to the XB-47.McDonnell FH Phantom, most of the last generation of piston airliners, probably the B-45, the Skyraider and AM Mauler, and likely many more
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I totally agree, but they were nasty handling at times. I had a roommate in college who married a girl whose father had been a B-47 pilot, and he (the roommate) passed on to me a detailed story about the discovery of aileron reversal in that plane, and the joys of discovering that you had to apply RIGHT aileron to stop a roll to the right. Several planes and crews were lost before that was understood. (Oh, and FWIW my roommate was known to his friends as Biff.)The B-47 is one of the prettiest planes I've ever seen, all problems aside.
I totally agree, but they were nasty handling at times. I had a roommate in college who married a girl whose father had been a B-47 pilot, and he (the roommate) passed on to me a detailed story about the discovery of aileron reversal in that plane, and the joys of discovering that you had to apply RIGHT aileron to stop a roll to the right. Several planes and crews were lost before that was understood.
According to Wikipedia, "The B-47 arose from an informal 1943 USAAF requirement for a jet-powered reconnaissance bomber." So it's a War child, too.
If the Shooting Star had engaged the Me262 during the war, it would have been the YP-80 or the P-80A, which were not close to the postwar P/F-80C in speed or performance.So let's look at a few of those 50s planes, starting with the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star. Great airplane, and it actually flew in January of 1944. This was a legitimate World War II plane, and it was better than the Me262. Didn't get there in time to actually take on any 262s, but if it had. . .well, it was faster, had more than a 50% better rate of climb, and was more maneuverable. That's not too much of a surprise, since it was newer than the 262 and was designed by Kelly Johnson, but it was definitely a better plane.
The He162 was faster @ 562mph.The original XF-86 design and mockup was a straight wing design. It differed from the FJ-1 some. I'll try to find data, however I think it is already somewhere in this forum.
I seriously doubt any Me 262 ever achieved 560 mph. I guess I'll have to go to the books.