GregP
Major
For all the good it will do you, sure.
It's like reading, "Gentlemen and Sandwiches Quarterly" magazine .... relatively pointless.
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For all the good it will do you, sure.We still have the German victory claims though and can compare them with Soviet losses.
So I take it you could not find yourself in post 228 right?When you prove to me that the Soviet loss reports and data are flawless you'll get a response from me. Until then…
You can prove it when you find the actual wreckage itself and see the details match the record.You are putting a lot of faith in something you cannot prove.
Yeah it will do a lot of good.For all the good it will do you, sure.
It's like reading, "Gentlemen and Sandwiches Quarterly" magazine .... relatively pointless.
Aircraft can't just go missing there is always a record of it.
And if Soviet records get lost, then how could they get lost more often for certain pilots' claims?
So the losses for Hartmann go missing more often but Fönnekold's losses don't go missing?
You simply do not understand that a loss was reported at multiple levels. Lost the division report, there is the IAP report, the OUSM report, the VA report, the stick-off order, the resupply order etc...You still don't seem to understand. Reports had to be hand written or typed. Reports get lost. Reports may or may not have been actually filed even if an aircraft is missing. How an aircraft was lost could be misreported.
Actually I am certain you understand this. You just won't admit it because it pokes a hole in your theory.
So I take it you could not find yourself in post 228 right?
No I just don't understand why loads of losses would go missing for some pilots but not others. Wouldn't the reports that get lost be random?You still don't seem to understand. Reports had to be hand written or typed. Reports get lost. Reports may or may not have been actually filed even if an aircraft is missing. How an aircraft was lost could be misreported.
Actually I am certain you understand this. You just won't admit it because it pokes a hole in your theory.
You simply do not understand that a loss was reported at multiple levels. Lost the division report, there is the IAP report, the OUSM report, the VA report, the stick-off order, the resupply order etc...
You do realize all these claims, and reports were written up after the missions were over.And the disorientated movements of the pilot were recorded
What does 228 have to do with me?
I referred to post 228, you stated the above. you did not write post 228.I never said memes cannot be posted. I just want everyone to remain civil.
Oh and reports were filed at multiple levels too. So the chance of them all getting lost is impractical.
Mod, what is it with your words?!Bullshit! Reports were lost and misreported by all sides. The Soviets are no different.
No I just don't understand why loads of losses would go missing for some pilots but not others. Wouldn't the reports that get lost be random?
Respectfully, have you read the book? That is exactly what we did.I think you have opened a good debate, but unless you look at every loss, of every aircraft, at every time a pilot squeezed the trigger regardless of whether he made a claim, then you can't be absolutely positive. I think you raise some good points and it scratches a question itch I've had for years. While I don't completely agree with your conclusions, I don't completely disagree either.
Mod, what is it with your words?!
"ass", now this?
Because they would have to explain to Soviet high command where the aircraft went if they didn't recorded them