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No - it was a bona-fide operational Unit in the Chinese Air Force, apples and oranges.a Luftwaffe unit commanded by a LW officer (Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder) and LW pilots flying combat calling as a not operational unit is really hard to understand. Would you call the "flying tigers" as a nonoperational unit too?
cimmex
At that stage, with the very early engine .. depends on the altitude. At low level very fast, higher altitudes not so sp:
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Naturally another Tony Williiams one from his website.
Kommando Nowotny was formed on 26 September 1944 in Achmer and Hesepe with Stab/Kommando Nowotny from Stab III./Zerstörergeschwader 26 (ZG 26), 1./Kommando Nowotny from 9./ZG 26, 2./Kommando Nowotny from 8./ZG 26 and 3./Kommando Nowotny (new). Thus its strength was 3 Staffeln and a Stab flight.
On 3 October it attained operational status with a complement of about 40 Me 262A-1a jet interceptors.
This is the same general time period as when the Fw190D-9, Me109G-10 and Me109K-4 became operational.
GotchaYes, just putting in some history and a time period for KdoN.
To be specific, neither aircraft was combat ready compared to piston engine aircraft of the day when they first entered service. The -262 was clearly the superior of the two but both aircraft were risky in normal non-combat operations, and that could be said right up to the end of the war.And now, go take the RAE repport on the same page and you'll see clearly in the repport that NO TEST could be done above 20K Ft because the engines surged in level flight.
Stop comparing the 262 to the meteor MKI/III. the meteor was not combat ready: snaking, snagging, surging, ailerons (great)heaviness,a not stable airplane at all, pilots having to slow down to be able to get the target in the sight. The meteor sucked untill the Mk8 . and the engines reliatibilty was not so great neither...even in 1946.
the Meteor was not combat ready: snaking, snagging, surging, ailerons (great)heaviness,a not stable airplane at all, pilots having to slow down to be able to get the target in the sight. The meteor sucked untill the Mk8 . and the engines reliatibilty was not so great neither...even in 1946.
Yawn.Blah blah blah superior technology blah blah blah would have won the war blah blah blah...
No they didn't. It did not prevent Germany losing the war, therefore it did not live up to its usefulness.
This is why it took till 1950 when the Vampire Fb 6 reached the performance of the Me262 of the year 1945. I read this info at the museum in Duebendorf Switzerland many years ago. Meanwhile the jet race was lost against the Americans…Like I said, neither British jet was being rushed into service because the British played down the threat they assumed the German jets posed. They had that luxury. The Germans didn't.
Don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.Yawn.
Where did i say or even remotely imply that? How about you check your own objectivity towards reality before you imply.me to be a Nazi fanboy. Have your useless little debate where I'm sure the conclusion will be that meteor in the end was just as useful / useless as the me 262 in ww2. I'm out of this forum.
Instead of relying on a databoard at a museum, why don't you compare flight test data or the pilot's manuals for a more accurate comparison?This is why it took till 1950 when the Vampire Fb 6 reached the performance of the Me262 of the year 1945. I read this info at the museum in Duebendorf Switzerland many years ago. Meanwhile the jet race was lost against the Americans…
cimmex
Well, Switzerland had the Fb 6 in service and I think they should know what they are talking about. I have a top speed of 548 mph and clr below 5000 ft/min, which is not impressive for a 1950 plane. What does the pilot manual say?
cimmex
If you compare that performance to equivalent aircraft the Swiss could have bought in 1950 it was in the ballpark. The F80B was slightly faster, climbed about the same and I believe had a higher ceiling, the F84C was slightly faster but had a much worse climb rate and lower ceiling. Strangely the only aircraft that was faster in level flight, climbed faster and had a higher ceiling was the Meteor 8.