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I wouldn't be too hasty to single out the Ju 88 as being inefficient compared with the Mossie as a recon aircraft; the effectiveness of German recon aircraft shouldn't really be in question as British recon losses over enemy territory was also high - although the Mossie was a better performer than the Ju 88, nevertheless, the issue was that British air defences improved to an extent that German aircraft could not operate satisfactorily over Britain. The key reasons for the downfall of German out of theatre strategic recon - and yes, they had their specialised unit like the PRU, before Sidney Cotton came along and it was formed as a branch of the Abwehr and it produced extraordinarily complete images of future enemy countries' defences during peacetime and also during wartime over North Africa, Italy and crucially over Russia produced very good coverage of these countries - was numerous.
One aspect that causes us to disregard German PR is the scant attention it gets in the press. Very few dedicated books have been produced on the Aufklarungsgruppen by comparison to British recon in particular, especially the PRUs and Mr Cotton, but , like I said, the German photo recon was of no less importance to them, was well equipped and technically very efficient and equally as capable as that of the Allies during the war.
Juha, when you start putting facts on the table and not just opinion, we can have discussion.
I wondered that when I read the book. I would think it was a FW 58 'Weihe', designed as a light bomber trainer, but also used as an air ambulance and known to be used for dropping agents. Its relatively quiet engines would be advantageous in this role, rather than use the He 111, Ju 88 and 188, also employed for para dropping. In the movie 'Triple Cross', loosely based on Chapman's story, which was still covered by the Official Secrets Act at the time, a Siebel was used.Just a quick question and nothing important but if anyone can give an answer to it then it will cure my curiosity. In Ben Mcintyre's Agent Zig Zag, the true story of Eddie Chapman, Chapman was said to have parachuted into Britain from a fast flying German recon plane said to have been a Focke Wulf. I am think this was actually probably a Ju 88, I would be grateful for any information anyone may have.
Or to ask a more general question what sort of aircraft did the Germans use to deliver agents into Britain? I am aware that some German agents came by sea via Spain or Portugal.
I have absolutely no doubt that if they placed similar priority on it they would have been able to maintain a good capability right to the end, albeit their lack of a fast twin would have caused issues with VLR recon in contested airspace.
I wondered that when I read the book. I would think it was a FW 58 'Weihe', designed as a light bomber trainer, but also used as an air ambulance and known to be used for dropping agents. Its relatively quiet engines would be advantageous in this role, rather than use the He 111, Ju 88 and 188, also employed for para dropping. In the movie 'Triple Cross', loosely based on Chapman's story, which was still covered by the Official Secrets Act at the time, a Siebel was used.
And I totally agree with Adler !
Berlin was no problem at all. This has been posted before, so for the Berlin bit skip to about 7.40. If you haven't seen this then it is well worth a watch to hear first hand how they flew these missions directly from one of the typically modest men who was there and did it.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
Cheers
Steve
Thanks for that, brilliant. 51 missions, amazing.
Love his quote: "that was the sweetest aeroplane, any pilot should fly it at least once".
Note Berlin and back ... without drop tanks. Ties in with my calcs on a LR fighter Spit.
He is not the only one who stirs the pot. The Mods are getting tired of the cr@p.
Tony Hill's (who was sadly killed later) famous radar shot at about zero feet.
Well said, very brave men. We always tend to go on about the fighter pilots and bomber crews, but the PR people were incredible (both the low and high level ones).
Their contribution to victory is probably incalculable.
Mission after mission over enemy territory, on their own for long hours, no guns, just skill and speed to keep them out of harm's way. No jinking and manoeuvring to avoid flak when on their photo runs
In RV Jones book there are some pictures taken by the low level boys, including Tony Hill's (who was sadly killed later) famous radar shot at about zero feet.