Aircraft Identification V

[Patoruzu]

Yup, definitely looks like it. The R.A.F. version is the Embraer-designed Tucano, built under licence by Shorts of Belfast. I believe the others, Pilatus et al, are also licenced from Embraer. What appears to be two fins I think is light reflecting off the fuselage, plus the ventral fin. A very nice aircraft, BTW.

The Texan II is a USA tailored Pilatus built by Raytheon winner of the Jpats.
The aussie one is also a pilatus.
But they have nothing in common with the British Tucanoes or the Brasilian ones. The Tucano was also a contender of the Jpats.

 

[wingnuts]

Although they look very similar the PC9 is no relation to the Turcano... simply another result of form following function.

The PC9 was developed from the PC7 which first flew about 1978... the Turcano was a bit later.

Embraer EMB 312 Tucano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pilatus PC-7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pilatus PC-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Airframes]

Thanks for that. I think I read that Embraer had bought some design data from Pilatus, that led to the Tucano; the same reading indicated that the RAF (or MoD Procurement) had originally looked at the Pilatus, but could get a better deal via Emraer's licencing. Apparently, the first two (?) aircraft were supplied by Embraer, for evaluation etc., back in the seventies. However, it's quite some time since I saw this info, so I could very well be wrong!

 

[wingnuts]

The whole trainer procurement project for the RAAF was a nightmare.... originally the RAAF wanted a locally designed side by trainer, the CT4 Wamira. Due to cost over runs, mainly caused by the RAAF that kept changing the requirements and the project was dumped.... it became a choice between the Turcano, PC7 and PC9... the PC9 won

I was working for CAC at the time as an QA Inspector and I was also the unofficial company cartoonist. The project problems provided me with lots of cartoon material, kept me busy for months....

..... and plenty of friction with the higher ups

AAC Wamira - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Airframes]

Looks like a similar thing happened then. Apparently, the RAF ( or more correctly, MoD) also had conflicts between home-grown designs, the PC9 and the Tucano; the latter, as you know, won the day. I have heard though, that the final decision, apart from costs, also had something to do with the political situation re Northern Ireland, and Shorts of Belfast got the contract.
Done a bit of checking since the last posr. It seems that Pilatus were influenced by design features of the Brazilian Tucano, which led, in part, to development of the PC9 over the PC7.
Overall, though, it is remarkable how similar these aircraft look. The British contender, the Firecracker, also looked very similar. Put the Pilatus, Tucano and Firecracker alongside each other, in RAF trainer colours, and they'd look almost the same! Like your bit about the cartoons!
Terry.

 

[Waynos]

The Wamira was also a contender for the RAF requirement, though the MoD requested that AAC design a tandem seat version just for us, wooo.

 

[Graeme]

New one...

 

[Airframes]

Looks a bit like the remains of a Panther?

 

[Waynos]

Hmmm, the first thing it brings to mind for me is the North American AJ-1 Savage, but in such poor shape its hard to say (oh, and you have mail if you didn't already see it)

Ha scrub that answer, it suddenly looks like the Vought Pirate instead

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Lockheed XF6U Pirate?

 

[kool kitty89]

The XF6U is by Vought (hence F6U) But it really does look like one.

 

[wingnuts]

"ike your bit about the cartoons!"
Terry.[/QUOTE]

I don't actually have a Wamira cartoon handy but this is a sample of what I used to do.... see if anyone can identify the aircraft... it may be just a cartoon but drew if from the actual aircraft and I tried to keep it accurate...

....anyway it should be easier than some of the photos posted here

 

[kool kitty89]

CAC Wirraway?

 

[wingnuts]

Correct Kool Kitty, that particular one is now in the RAN Museum in Nowra NSW...

This was the follow-on cartoon, an example of a day in the life of the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation in the 1980s

 

[Graeme]

Vought Pirate

XF6U Pirate?

The XF6U

A sad Pirate, No.122479 (the second of 30 produced), used for target practice from 1952 onwards.

New one...

 

[Airframes]

Kool Kitty beat me to it with Wirraway! Great cartoons, think I'll print one off.
Now, this new one. I haven't a clue!

 

[runningdog]

Neither have I, not often I'm completely stumped...........

 

[Waynos]

Looks like a small scale test plane for a bigger flying boat......French?.....otherwise a bit stuck

 

[Captain Dunsel]

The XF6U is by Vought (hence F6U) But it really does look lit it.

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Sound of a head hitting a keyboard.

Repeatedly.

Here I am, several months into scratch building an OS2U, and I confuse Lockheed and Vought....

CD

 

[Airframes]

This latest puzzler looks like someone's added a glazed nose and two more engines to a Canberra, then stuck on a Viscount tail, after sticking on the wings of a B24!
Doubt I'd even come close with an answer!