Just How Much Trouble Is Vladimir Putin In?
Fourteen Russia experts on what we learned about Putin over the past few days, and what the attempted mutiny could mean for Russia and the West.
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"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (8 Viewers)
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swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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- Jun 25, 2013
One hopes they all get shut down. Prizgozhin may get some points for being anti-Putin, but this doesn't mean that he's some shining star of goodness. Wagner Group's job was to support oligarchical and generally anti-democratic governments, and Prizgozhin certainly didn't object to Wagner Group's habit of cheerfully killing civilians
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buffnut453
Captain
Hmmm...based on this speech by Putin, I'm guessing most Wagnerites will relo to Belarus:
Let's now hear a bit more from Russian President Vladimir Putin's address on state TV.
Putin thanked the nation for unity, adding that all necessary decisions to neutralise threat were taken at the very beginning, and "the mutiny would have been suppressed anyway, organisers realised their actions were criminal".
Putin told Russians those who staged the "mutiny" wanted Russia to lose "and our society to drown in blood, but they miscalculated".
He went on to thank all security services "who stayed loyal to their oath" as well as pilots who died.
He added that steps were taken to avoid major bloodshed, "but it took time".
"I thank Wagner soldiers and commanders who did not shed blood - you can sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence, or move to Belarus," he said.
Let's now hear a bit more from Russian President Vladimir Putin's address on state TV.
Putin thanked the nation for unity, adding that all necessary decisions to neutralise threat were taken at the very beginning, and "the mutiny would have been suppressed anyway, organisers realised their actions were criminal".
Putin told Russians those who staged the "mutiny" wanted Russia to lose "and our society to drown in blood, but they miscalculated".
He went on to thank all security services "who stayed loyal to their oath" as well as pilots who died.
He added that steps were taken to avoid major bloodshed, "but it took time".
"I thank Wagner soldiers and commanders who did not shed blood - you can sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence, or move to Belarus," he said.
buffnut453
Captain
Loving the references here to Prigozhin as a "bald waste of space":
Wagner mutiny: Prigozhin's soldiers rage while others cry conspiracy
Wagner troops rage against Yevgeny Prigozhin's decision to halt his march on Moscow in furious online posts.
www.bbc.com
Lavrov reminds me of "The Mouth of Sauron" in the Lord of the Rings. The physical similarity is amazing!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_RJ_mPNqM
Jim
Glider
Captain
Thats what I was thinking on Saturday
A nasty part of me thinks that the deal might be.
a) Oust Lukashenko
b) Belarus is yours
Thumpalumpacus
Major
With Russian nukes already in place? I'm not so sure.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Very informative. Although now it seems I know even less.Just How Much Trouble Is Vladimir Putin In?
Fourteen Russia experts on what we learned about Putin over the past few days, and what the attempted mutiny could mean for Russia and the West.
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Admiral Beez
Major
Is the CV90 amphibious?
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To a degree yes.
special ed
2nd Lieutenant
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- May 13, 2018
My question is: With the Russians raiding Prig"s headquarters and capturing three van loads of money, how will the Wagner boys get paid? And if they don't, how will they like it?
You are wise! We ALL KNOW VERY LITTLE.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Serbia *maybe* but Bulgaria?
Not a chance.
I don't think it was just the last money of the Vagner/Prigozhin. Well, they are criminals after all. Armed criminals. Battle-hardened armed criminals. I'm sure they'll come up with something very creative.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I like a theory by YT commentator, Jake Broe. Remember wondering "how is this guy still alive?" regarding any number of Russian personalties? They are alive because the FSB allows it. The FSB, might be the power behind the throne. FSB isn't a friend of the Russian MOD. The FSB isn't too happy with Putin either. Maybe they're keeping the "popular?" Prigoshin stashed until the next election. I'm really condensing and simplifying Mr. Broe's presentation but the FSB may sort of be like the Praetorian Guard.
buffnut453
Captain
Interesting analysis here:
cepa.org
Russia’s Security Forces Learn Bitter Lessons From Putin’s Maneuvering
The Wagner mercenary uprising has revealed much about the weaknesses of Putin’s Russia, some of which may prove fatal.
Even Nature itself turned against the Russians:
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