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Snowman said:
Even Nature itself turned against the Russians:

www.yahoo.com

Occupiers drop a chemical projectile on Ukrainian positions, with wind in their faces

Russian invasion forces dropped a chemical projectile on Ukrainian soldiers but with the wind blowing the chemicals back at them, a military spokesperson for the army in the Tauride sector, Valeriy Shershen, said on national television on June 25.
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That's more like basic inability to read the wind. Shoot a smoke round first, ya numpties.
 
buffnut453 said:
Hmmm...based on this speech by Putin, I'm guessing most Wagnerites will relo to Belarus:
Let's now hear a bit more from Russian President Vladimir Putin's address on state TV.

Putin thanked the nation for unity, adding that all necessary decisions to neutralise threat were taken at the very beginning, and "the mutiny would have been suppressed anyway, organisers realised their actions were criminal".

Putin told Russians those who staged the "mutiny" wanted Russia to lose "and our society to drown in blood, but they miscalculated".

He went on to thank all security services "who stayed loyal to their oath" as well as pilots who died.

He added that steps were taken to avoid major bloodshed, "but it took time".

"I thank Wagner soldiers and commanders who did not shed blood - you can sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence, or move to Belarus," he said.
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Roll out the popcorn because now that Putin has backtracked on Prig's pardon and his men have not only taken a paycut to join the RF but probably had their last Wagner pay stolen I think that a very large number will relocate to Belarus. They will also probably be considering that the next Putin backflip will be to execute all those that took part in the run to Moscow.

If Prig comes out fighting again he and his men will not stop until those in Moscow that are at the top of his hate list are all eliminated or the Wagnerites are all dead.

Will this be good for Russia or Ukraine or the world. I would like to think yes but my gut says all three will lose from that scenario.
 
A long thread on corruption in the Russian Army.


View: https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1673426878583959554

This particular paragraph caught my eye.
Tank training was also routinely faked. Crews are supposed to do a certain amount of hours in their tanks, but Rozkhov says that this was faked by "winding up" the tanks to ensure the instruments showed the mandated amount of mileage.
 
Apparently, Prigozhin has arrived in Belarus. Some other updates from the BBC:

Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko has been quoted as saying that Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozin is in Belarus, according to Belarusian state news agency Belta.

Belarusian state media have some further comments from leader Alexander Lukashenko regarding Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin's arrival in the country.
The Belarusian leader is quoted as saying that "security guarantees have been given", just as promised by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"I see Prigozhin's been flying aboard this plane - yes, indeed he's in Belarus today," he's quoted as saying, adding that he would be staying in the country at Wagner's expense.

More now from Alexander Lukashenko, who has confirmed that Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin is in Belarus.
Lukashenko is quoted by state media as saying that Belarus is not building any camps for the group, but will accommodate them if they want.
"We offered them one of the abandoned military bases. Please - we have a fence, we have everything - put up your tents," Lukashenko said, according to Reuters news agency.
Lukashenko was also quoted as saying there were no plans to open any Wagner recruitment centres in Belarus.


Of course, all of the above needs to be taken with several salt mines' worth of sodium chloride because I don't believe a single word that comes out of Lukashenko's mouth. However, it's all we have available right now.
 

How to end Russia's war on Ukraine


This multi-author report takes nine commonly espoused ideas for quick fixes or objections to bolstering assistance to Ukraine, and weighs them against both current reality and their long-term consequences. The unanimous conclusion of the authors is that the only outcome to the war that can safeguard the future security of Europe is a convincing Ukrainian victory – hence, Western military support to Kyiv should be redoubled before it is too late.

 
Denniss said:
because yahoo/Google and others grab/take away the page hits/impressions from the source sites
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All we require is that the person link to where they found it. If that is yahoo then use yahoo. If the reader wishes to follow the link within the article to the source site they can do so.

Nobody is violating any forum rules by posting the yahoo link.
 
"Moscow Bob" has declared that Putin's position has not been weakened by the Wagner revolt...which, of course, means that it was:

Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists he doesn't agree that Putin is in a weakened position, and mocked the "ultra-emotional tantrums among political scientists and pseudo-political scientists" speculating on the stability of the Russian president's authority following the mutiny.
 
buffnut453 said:
"Moscow Bob" has declared that Putin's position has not been weakened by the Wagner revolt...which, of course, means that it was:

Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists he doesn't agree that Putin is in a weakened position, and mocked the "ultra-emotional tantrums among political scientists and pseudo-political scientists" speculating on the stability of the Russian president's authority following the mutiny.
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I prefer Moscow Misha…
 
My wife and have been discussing the Prigozhin/Defense Ministry/Putin/Wagner issue and WE think it is all about money. Evidently the bill for Wagner in this war is 250 million USD a month. And Russia can't afford to pay that anymore. Or refuse to pay it anymore. So the events over the past few days my be an elaborate ruse to get out of this situation. Even the loss of aircraft could have been staged.

Jim
 
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