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China thinks it will make billions in profit in "helping" Ukraine rebuild but if the Ukrainians are smart they will prohibit rebuild contracts to all firms headquartered in or owned by countries that do not support their rejection of Putin.
 
Chances are good that the nations that stepped up and assisted Ukraine in their hour of need, will be at the top of the list to aid Ukraine in rebuilding what the Russians have destroyed.

There is absolutely no doubt that Poland is at the top of the list.
The UK and U.S. are in the running along with Australia and several other nations.

Meanwhile, what has China done to help Ukraine?
 
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This are Ukranian claims, so probably real numbers are less, but probably the proportions hold. We already discussed some time ago about the specific targeting of Russian artillery, but it seems that since the start of offensive action the destruction of Russian artillery has intensified. Most probably they are forced to reveal position while trying to stop Ukranian advances.
This are today's numbers reporting yesterday actions.

+530 men
+1 tank
+5 APVs
+35 (!) artillery pieces <======👍
+2 MLRS
+26 UAVs
 
GrauGeist said:
Chances are good that the nations that stepped up and assisted Ukraine in their hour of need, will be at the top of the list to aid Ukraine in rebuilding what the Russians have destroyed.

There is absolutely no doubt that Poland is at the top of the list.
The UK and U.S. are in the running along with Australia and several other nations.

Meanwhile, what has China done to help Ukraine?
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... remained 'neutral' ...:cool:
 
RogerdeLluria said:
Seems Ukranians are very happy with western armor.

www.businessinsider.com

Ukrainian soldiers say US Bradley IFVs saved their lives. In old Soviet armored vehicles ‘we would all probably be dead after the first hit.’

US-supplied Bradley infantry fighting vehicles are considered more robust than Soviet-era armor, and have been credited with saving lives in Ukraine.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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Again, the quality of the video is the calmness and quiet determination of all of those who are taking part is both stunning and humbling. My heart goes out in particular to the medic. As a counsellor in the Police, a good number of whom have been in the military, I get to hear these types of narrative in detail. It's a special honour when people share these experiences and we do what we can to help.

The more kit in the form of modern APC's and other equipment we can get to them, the better. Wouldn't it be nice if the Swiss government could be made to sit down and watch video's like this. Who knows it might even make a difference.
 
GrauGeist said:
Chances are good that the nations that stepped up and assisted Ukraine in their hour of need, will be at the top of the list to aid Ukraine in rebuilding what the Russians have destroyed.

There is absolutely no doubt that Poland is at the top of the list.
The UK and U.S. are in the running along with Australia and several other nations.

Meanwhile, what has China done to help Ukraine?
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I'd be very skeptical of Ukraine issuing contracts to any country who is aiding Russia in this invasion, especially one which has provided so much moral support as well. Ukraine might well see the Russo-Chinese "no limits" summit in Feb 22 as a Ribbentrop-Molotov analogue.

This is why I think the Belt-and-Road into Europe will not come through the Caucasus.
 
The Biden administration is considering giving Ukraine cluster munitions, a U.S. official confirmed Friday.

NBC News first reported that Washington was leaning toward providing dual purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICMs) to Kyiv, with an announcement that could come as early as July.

A U.S. official told The Hill that "no decision has yet been made but, the U.S. is considering DPICMs for the Ukrainians."

Designed during the Cold War-era, DPICMs are surface-to-surface warheads designed to explode and send multiple small munitions over a wide area to cause maximum damage.

Since last year, Ukraine has asked the United States for the weapons but Washington has held off due to the Convention on Cluster Munitions, an international treaty that bans the transfer, use and stockpiling of the cluster bombs.

More than 100 countries, including U.S. allies, have signed the 2008 treaty due to the risk of unexploded bombs injuring or killing civilians, constituting a war crime.

The United States, Ukraine and Russia, however, are not signatories to the agreement, with multiple reports of Moscow having used DPICMs in its invasion of Ukraine.


I'm pretty sure our cluster bomblets are self-defusing (though I could be wrong, correct me if so), but even so, I doubt that'll help if a farmer runs over it in his combine, for instance.
 
Glider said:
Wouldn't it be nice if the Swiss government could be made to sit down and watch video's like this. Who knows it might even make a difference.
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While that would be very nice I think that is just wildy optimistic. The swiss government would only move for economic reasons, in this case by pressure by military hardware makers and bankers.
Thumpalumpacus said:
I'd be very skeptical of Ukraine issuing contracts to any country who is aiding Russia in this invasion, especially one which has provided so much moral support as well. Ukraine might well see the Russo-Chinese "no limits" summit in Feb 22 as a Ribbentrop-Molotov analogue.
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Me the same, so I hope Ukrainia don't forget to have the swiss out also, since they deny other countries to deliver swiss or former swiss weapons.

One can understand by some goverments align themselves with Rusia or want to be neutral or not involved (China, North Korea, Siria, Cuba, Lula's Brasil, former URSS republics and so) but if you look carefully to those governments (very autocratic at least) there is now way that a democratic country could stand by its side without been ashamed of himself in this balant agression.
 
MiTasol said:
China thinks it will make billions in profit in "helping" Ukraine rebuild but if the Ukrainians are smart they will prohibit rebuild contracts to all firms headquartered in or owned by countries that do not support their rejection of Putin.
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GrauGeist said:
Chances are good that the nations that stepped up and assisted Ukraine in their hour of need, will be at the top of the list to aid Ukraine in rebuilding what the Russians have destroyed.

There is absolutely no doubt that Poland is at the top of the list.
The UK and U.S. are in the running along with Australia and several other nations.

Meanwhile, what has China done to help Ukraine?
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The risk will be if the countries that have supported Ukraine during the war vanish once the war is won but the post war rebuild is still required. This is still quite a risk IMHO and one that I wouldn't be surprised to see China aim to stop in to fill the gap and thus gain further influence. Hence a reason to keep the support going post war.
 
GTX said:
The risk will be if the countries that have supported Ukraine during the war vanish once the war is won but the post war rebuild is still required. This is still quite a risk IMHO and one that I wouldn't be surprised to see China aim to stop in to fill the gap and thus gain further influence. Hence a reason to keep the support going post war.
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Given the aid money flowing in, and sure to continue flowing, I'm willing to bet China will be spurned. Remember, in addition to NATO, the EU has already opened the formal accession process to Ukraine, and I don't doubt that being closer to the shattered nation they will be much less likely to forget.
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
Given the aid money flowing in, and sure to continue flowing, I'm willing to bet China will be spurned. Remember, in addition to NATO, the EU has already opened the formal accession process to Ukraine, and I don't doubt that being closer to the shattered nation they will be much less likely to forget.
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I hope so. As I said though IMHO there is still a risk of some adopting the "oh, that war is over isn't it...we won...why are we still giving support" short term style thinking creeping in.
 
GTX said:
I hope so. As I said though IMHO there is still a risk of some adopting the "oh, that war is over isn't it...we won...why are we still giving support" short term style thinking creeping in.
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To be unbiased, I think we here in America are much more susceptible to that sort of thinking than is Europe. Not only did they benefit from the Marshall Plan themselves, they've also seen first-hand what can happen when you leave a war-torn country festering in your midst.
 
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