Yeah, I agree and suspect you are correct re the scrapping.
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This would imply that it was all scrapped:
Canada Has Given Up Trying To Find A Good Home For Its Retired Leopard Tanks
A possible sale to Jordan has apparently fallen through and there are few other buyers who could meet the country's human rights standards.
www.thedrive.com
Sigh...for want of a couple of years.
Admiral Beez
Major
We should have just changed the oil, drained and anti-corrosion fogged the fuel tanks, greased the nipples and stored them all. This guy in Belgium was smart.This would imply that it was all scrapped:
Canada Has Given Up Trying To Find A Good Home For Its Retired Leopard Tanks
A possible sale to Jordan has apparently fallen through and there are few other buyers who could meet the country's human rights standards.
Sigh...for want of a couple of years.
I still want those four hundred Challenger 1 tanks in Jordan to get to Ukraine somehow.
Snautzer01
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Now that is valet parking at its best.
Warspite63
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LOL! At least until the owner insists that he needs the one in the middle...............
buffnut453
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I'm sure I've seen a game like that on my phone.
Jabberwocky
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The Canadian Leopard C2s performance in Afghanistan was mixed. Three losses and 15 tanks damaged (and repaired) out of a total of 20 deployed.
The troops operating with them reportedly LOVED the heavy support and their ability to act as both a lead vehicle in breaching operations and as a major psychological inhibitor to attacks when on patrols.
The firepower and range advantage bestowed by the tanks were seen as the biggest plusses. Particularly the HESH rounds, which was very useful in punching large holes (up to 5m x 5m) in whatever structures the Tailban happened to be using as cover/concealment. The Canadian army reports using HESH to engage militants out to 3800 meters (2.35 miles) or as close as 150m.
The lack of climate control was a notable problem. Internal temperatures were measured as high as 65 degrees Celsius! All 20 C2s (and the 8 support vehicles) were subsequently fitted with envrionmental systems, a thermal layer and the crews issued with cooling vests.
The age of the vehicles (30+ years for some of them) meant they were maintenance hogs. Dust/debris injestion was a real issue, leading to engine overheats that would force the tanks to stop regularly to cool off. Local mods were introduced which reduced (but never eliminated) the problem.
With the MEXAS add-on armour, the vehicle was resistant to basic RPG 7 rounds on front hull/turret sections. However, some of the more specalised anti-armour RPG rounds, ATGMs and even some of the Soviet-era recoilless rifles were seen as threats. IEDs and mines were the biggest worry though. The C2s also got add-on anti-mine/IED protection and mine rollers/plows, but I believe all three C2 losses in Afghanistan involved an IED of some kind.
The troops operating with them reportedly LOVED the heavy support and their ability to act as both a lead vehicle in breaching operations and as a major psychological inhibitor to attacks when on patrols.
The firepower and range advantage bestowed by the tanks were seen as the biggest plusses. Particularly the HESH rounds, which was very useful in punching large holes (up to 5m x 5m) in whatever structures the Tailban happened to be using as cover/concealment. The Canadian army reports using HESH to engage militants out to 3800 meters (2.35 miles) or as close as 150m.
The lack of climate control was a notable problem. Internal temperatures were measured as high as 65 degrees Celsius! All 20 C2s (and the 8 support vehicles) were subsequently fitted with envrionmental systems, a thermal layer and the crews issued with cooling vests.
The age of the vehicles (30+ years for some of them) meant they were maintenance hogs. Dust/debris injestion was a real issue, leading to engine overheats that would force the tanks to stop regularly to cool off. Local mods were introduced which reduced (but never eliminated) the problem.
With the MEXAS add-on armour, the vehicle was resistant to basic RPG 7 rounds on front hull/turret sections. However, some of the more specalised anti-armour RPG rounds, ATGMs and even some of the Soviet-era recoilless rifles were seen as threats. IEDs and mines were the biggest worry though. The C2s also got add-on anti-mine/IED protection and mine rollers/plows, but I believe all three C2 losses in Afghanistan involved an IED of some kind.
Relevant given the role of Russian PMCs in Ukraine War:
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Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
The Sunk Cruiser ‘Moskva’ ‘Will Soon Become An Aircraft Carrier,’ Ukraine Jokes After Shooting Down A Russian Bomber Over The Black Sea
It’s possible the Ukrainian air-defenses in Odesa now range farther than the land-attack missiles the Russian Black Sea Fleet tends to shoot at Odesa.
www.forbes.com
Relevant article:
In 2006, Canada Deployed Leopard 1A5 Tanks To Break Up Taliban Ambushes. Ukraine, Take Note.
The Afghanistan war underscored the strengths of the 1980s-vintage Leopard 1A5.
www.forbes.com
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
Duplicate post
Doh!! Forgot. Have now deleted.
Russian Su-24 Shot Down Over Black Sea Points To Tactical Shift
There are claims that Patriot missile was used to down the Su-24M, but regardless, the engagement could be a reflection of changing tactics.
www.thedrive.com
Admiral Beez
Major
I believe the crew survived, possibly due to the CAF's adding additional armour underneath the hull. Which is the best possible outcome from a landmine strike.
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The other one:
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RBC reports that based on their sources, the SBU is behind the attack on Oleg Popov, who died after the attack this morning. He was previously involved in the murder of Ukrainians. https://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/sbu-likviduvala-deputata-narodnoyi-radi-lnr-1701874959.html
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