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Now that Ukraine has a fighter aircraft that is plug-n-play compatible with nearly the entire NATO weapons catalogue I can't wait to see what ordinance is deployed. Hopefully NATO does not see this as an opportunity to donate primarily older, nearly-expired guided bombs and missiles.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Now that Ukraine has a fighter aircraft that is plug-n-play compatible with nearly the entire NATO weapons catalogue I can't wait to see what ordinance is deployed. Hopefully NATO does not see this as an opportunity to donate primarily older, nearly-expired guided bombs and missiles.
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They still work. They still kill people and break things, and I'm not sure the Russians are so up on tech that those older NATO weapons are useless. Better to fire them off than to recycle them under HAZMAT regs and so on.
 
NATO won't supply dangerous ammunition as transportation would also put their soldiers in danger. That's rather North Korean style, Russians complain a lot about this dangerous ammo they got from them. Many premature explosions and burst artillery barrels are reportly causing deaths amongst them.
 
In some respects this war is like a snapshot of what WW3 might have looked like in Central Germany in the late '70s/'80s...though with overlays of WW1 and Modern drone combat...:crazy:
 
Marcel said:
Just listened to the podcast "the echo of MH17". It's a commemorative podcast about the shooting down of Malesian Airways MH17 on July 17th 2014 by a Russian Buk missile and killing all, amongst which almost 200 innocent Dutch passengers. It reminds me that we have also been on the receiving side of Russian aggression. When I then hear some of our populist politicians questioning why we help the Ukraine with these f-16s while "we should not be involved in someone else's war", my blood starts to boil. We've been involved since Russia murdered 200 of our countrymen exactly 10 years ago. Ukraine, please use those F-16s and Leopard 2's well.
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Many Australians, and others, share your grief which should not make it any less.
 
GTX said:
Hopefully with lessons learnt from previous offensive....and lots of Western backing.
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There was a "joke' I saw recently, I thought on quotes and jokes here but can not find it, that said something like

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it and those who study history are doomed to helplessly watch it repeat
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
They still work. They still kill people and break things, and I'm not sure the Russians are so up on tech that those older NATO weapons are useless. Better to fire them off than to recycle them under HAZMAT regs and so on.
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Oh yes, send older, short-dated weapons slated for replacement or disposal. But if we want the few F-16s Ukraine has to have maximum impact and survivability they also need some of the latest kit, such as the longest range AIM-120 and AGM-154 JSOW. We don't want instances of the UAF's new AEW aircraft uplinking a target to the F-16s but it being outside the range of older AIM-120, but within range of the latest, yet not provided variants.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Oh yes, send older, short-dated weapons slated for replacement or disposal. But if we want the few F-16s Ukraine has to have maximum impact and survivability they also need some of the latest kit, such as the longest range AIM-120 and AGM-154 JSOW. We don't want instances of the UAF's new AEW aircraft uplinking a target to the F-16s but it being outside the range of older AIM-120, but within range of the latest, yet not provided variants.
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No disagreement here.
 
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"What other weaponry do we think is both ideal and likely to be made available for Ukraine's new fighters?"

At some point - a large number of seriously capable medium- to long-range laser guided bombs/rockets/missiles, and large numbers of anti-radiation homing air-launched long-range weapons. Note that the US defines Long Range as over 100 nm from launch point.

With a range of over 60 nm the air-launched SDB should be quite effective for frontline units equipped with laser designators. It would also be very useful for laser designator equipped SOF behind enemy lines - or laser designator equipped drones. One of the problems the UAF has been having is the ability to reliably hit the more important targets during the long-range drone attacks. Laser guided weapons can also be particularly useful in river crossing and amphibious operations.

The IR guided SDB would be useful for things like hitting trains and ships (tanks and such too, but the UAF seem to be doing a stellar job of AFV killing with drones and artillery).

I am wondering if we will see trains fitted with IR flare and chaff launchers on the new route to Crimea. And maybe armed and/or armored engines with AA weapon systems on flat cars?

"GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb - Wikipedia"
"GBU-53/B StormBreaker - Wikipedia"
"AGM-88 HARM - Wikipedia"
 
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