"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (3 Viewers)

[Glider]

While I do not disagree, you still have to remember the latest equipment also costs a lot more, and someone has to front that bill

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

I never would've thought of that. I hope the Russians don't read this thread.

Our colourful friend have been away from some time. Maybe he miss that post and can't report back to Moscow.

 

[SaparotRob]

Our colourful friend have been away from some time. Maybe he miss that post and can't report back to Moscow.

That reminds me, anybody hear from Jagdflieger?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That reminds me, anybody hear from Jagdflieger?

He lurked for about another year, but never posted again. He was never banned.

 

[GTX]

Russian Pilot Films His Flanker Falling Away After Ejecting During Combat Mission

The Russian pilot used a selfie video while parachuting to the ground to explain his jet had fallen victim to some kind of surprise attack.The Russian pilot used a selfie video while parachuting to the ground to explain his jet had fallen victim to some kind of surprise attack.

www.twz.com

 

[GTX]

How German Rheinmetall Skynex Air Defense System Enhances Ukraine's Defense Against Drones

How German Rheinmetall Skynex Air Defense System Enhances Ukraine's Defense Against Drones

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[GrauGeist]

I am wondering if we will see trains fitted with IR flare and chaff launchers on the new route to Crimea. And maybe armed and/or armored engines with AA weapon systems on flat cars?

How about railway torpedoes, like the ones used on the Eastern Front?

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

View: https://x.com/United24media/status/1819332071640174942

 

[Admiral Beez]

I never would've thought of that. I hope the Russians don't read this thread.

Trains can't dodge incoming ordnance. Just aim at the tracks.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

While I do not disagree, you still have to remember the latest equipment also costs a lot more, and someone has to front that bill.

I'm willing to pay my share. I do already. It helps keep Americans employed in good, technical jobs, even as it help Ukrainians fight off despotism. I don't know if we're asking for any money back from Ukraine.

I do know this is a helluva lot cheaper than us doing the fighting ourselves ... much as I might like to see my Air Force putting the fear of God in the invaders.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Trains can't dodge incoming ordnance. Just aim at the tracks.

And more explicitly, the bridges.

 

[GrauGeist]

Ahh...here we go, the ZhDT-3 railroad torpedo.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I'm willing to pay my share. I do already. It helps keep Americans employed in good, technical jobs, even as it help Ukrainians fight off despotism. I don't know if we're asking for any money back from Ukraine.

I do know this is a helluva lot cheaper than us doing the fighting ourselves ... much as I might like to see my Air Force putting the fear of God in the invaders.

I'm not against paying for it, and I'd rather this war be fought now, and not when my boys are of fighting age. I'm just pointing out that as the equipment gets more advanced so does the price tag, and it can't just be given away.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not against paying for it, and I'd rather this war be fought now, and not when my boys are of fighting age. I'm just pointing out that as the equipment gets more advanced so does the price tag, and it can't just be given away.

Of course it can be given away. How many ships, planes, tanks, ammo, and so on did we simply give away in WWII? And was it given away, or was it an investment all the same?

Even a lot of the modern stuff has been paid-for. Of course it's expensive. But it's more costly to let it sit in bunkers as the rocket-motors or explosives get to end-of-life and they need to be chucked into landfills, isn't it?

If we want any paybacks from the Ukrainians, we simply strongly support their bid to join NATO and take the payback in nonmonetary alliance. We've done this before, with the Marshall Plan, and we should be good enough nowadays to do this again.

After all, it's not a very different situation.

 

[SaparotRob]

And more explicitly, the bridges.

The Colonel Bogey March is now stuck in my head.

 

[Warspite63]

Of course it can be given away. How many ships, planes, tanks, ammo, and so on did we simply give away in WWII? And was it given away, or was it an investment all the same?

Even a lot of the modern stuff has been paid-for. Of course it's expensive. But it's more costly to let it sit in bunkers as the rocket-motors or explosives get to end-of-life and they need to be chucked into landfills, isn't it?

If we want any paybacks from the Ukrainians, we simply strongly support their bid to join NATO and take the payback in nonmonetary alliance. We've done this before, with the Marshall Plan, and we should be good enough nowadays to do this again.

After all, it's not a very different situation.

I totally agree. And, in addition, Lend-lease materials weren't technically given away - they had to be accounted for. Post-war, the recipients had to return them or pay for them. As an expedient, some were dumped (including all those beautiful FAA corsairs......). Regardless, they were absolutely an investment in the future

 

[MiTasol]

Ahh...here we go, the ZhDT-3 railroad torpedo.

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I love it but it would be very difficult to deliver behind lines in Russian controlled territory.

I would think that by now the Ukrainians would be able to sneak a drone onto the tracks to do some sort of damage (or better still hidden damage) that would derail the train so that other drones could finish it off. They could certainly plant mines that way but they may be too visible.

Cutting out the rail between two sleepers on the outside of a curve would almost certainly do the job. The Ukrainians are more than smart enough to come up with other options

 

[GrauGeist]

I love it but it would be very difficult to deliver behind lines in Russian controlled territory.

I would think that by now the Ukrainians would be able to sneak a drone onto the tracks to do some sort of damage (or better still hidden damage) that would derail the train so that other drones could finish it off. They could certainly plant mines that way but they may be too visible.

Cutting out the rail between two sleepers on the outside of a curve would almost certainly do the job. The Ukrainians are more than smart enough to come up with other options

There is, and has been, considerable Ukrainian partisan activity behind Russian lines, especially in the south-east.
Wouldn't be impossible to deploy.and would be spectacular to witness.

This railway torpedo is one way the Soviets were able to defeat German armored trains.

 

[SaparotRob]

View: https://youtu.be/Qu-nR7OVttU

 

[Admiral Beez]

Does Ukraine have laser designator drones that can light up targets for the F-16s?