"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (3 Viewers)

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Another thing to face with the Europe angle is that Russia is constantly trying to undermine them internally. They already essentially have Orbán in Hungary, Fico in Slovakia and keep trying with Le Pen in France as well as others. We currently don't have a lot of strong leaders to face up to this threat. Perhaps Petr Pavel in The Czech Republic, some of the Baltic leaders…

We need more Zelenskyys and not just in Europe but around the world since the threats aren't just in Europe but globally and those of us in the "West" can no longer rely on our strongest player.
 
Admiral Beez said:
All these Euros thought the Cold War's end would welcome in a new era of peace.
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In their defence, this was largely a global sentiment, not just Europe's. We then had the 20 odd year low intensity/counter insurgency wars which pointed a whole political/military generation in the wrong direction. This is continuing to be a challenge.
 
GTX said:
I would add that there will be a large number of very angry, motivated and combat trained men and women who will be out for revenge. The likes of Al-Qaeda will look like amateurs compared to them. Reap what is sown!
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As I wrote almost three years ago:

Putin's made a big mistake. The Ukrainians are, I sense, determined to slug it out, by insurgency if necessary, and their terrain is ideal for that, being swampy and forested in the western third. I think he just may have entered into another Afghanistan, but what were his options? Back down and lose face and prestige domestically? He put himself into the knight's fork with his brinksmanship.

My heart hurts for the Ukrainian people. May they defend their homeland.

"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

Putin's made a big mistake. The Ukrainians are, I sense, determined to slug it out, by insurgency if necessary, and their terrain is ideal for that, being swampy and forested in the western third. I think he just may have entered into another Afghanistan, but what were his options? Back down and...
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Sadly all my posts from this point onwards are going to be caveatted by the fact that I think the inevitable outcome is now predetermined. To paraphrase my signature block: Make the Bastards work for it!!!
 
GTX
Enough with your pearl clutching. America's interests will always align with a peaceful and prosperous Europe. An ascendant and bellicose Russia, China, North Korea, and/or Iran is not in America's interest.
We have elected a guy who likes to win. So as long as the #resistence pukes who undercut him throughout his first term stay out of his way, we can expect great things.
So go take a Valium or something and calm down.
 
Biden should send Ukraine as many M1 and M2 as the budget gives for stored quipment. Maybe sell more to European countries that would sent them to Ukraine as well. Needs to act quick before time runs out and Trump may interfere with deliveries.
Maybe European defense industry should get some production license for US made equipment like Himars/Atacms rockets, limiting the license to their own use and Ukraine.
 
Oh grow up and look at the reality of things
 
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