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How can anyone with a morsel of moral intelligence stay impartial? The rules applied to this thread make meaningful discourse regarding discussion of either the lessons of history or the transparent ideology behind the betrayal of Ukraine either impossible or pointlessly trite, so you're not alone. How can anyone intelligently discuss the conduct of a war without including its politics, when history shows they are lost and won by the actions, policies, words and commands of politicians and demagogues?That's a very naive statement. Your country is doing a Neville Chamberlain's "peace for our time". We, Europeans still know what that will lead to, maybe you don't? Next to that, your highest-in-charge is blindly following Russian propaganda, already twisting the facts about who started the war. Doing peace talks without the important players like theUkraine and Europe is also a stab in the back.
Your "pragmatic" approach is plain treason. So yeah, people start "handwringing" because of it.
I should really shut up here. As an admin I should not get into these discussions. I now really need to remove me from this thread, as I cannot be impartial in this.
I wouldn't blame Europeans for resigning from NATO and then a year from now reforming without including us.
What needs to be avoided (probably through gritted teeth) is any discussion of the ideological or moral politics of the situation - not because doing so is inherently bad, but because A) It's not that sort of forum, and B) Such discussions almost always end up with the most extreme voices also becoming the loudest and driving the discussions into an in-group/out-group dynamic that is neither productive nor healthy [particularly, it seems, when it concerns US domestic politics].
Err … do you mean Hungary rather than Bulgaria?Or even reforming minus the US and Bulgaria an hour later.
The new constitution would be very easy to write - just delete the ability of any nation to veto any action.