"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (88 Viewers)

Ad: This forum contains affiliate links to products on Amazon and eBay. More information in Terms and rules

That is what I got, but maybe not all F-35 are operational yet and some of the older types may not be fully operational anymore.

Aircraft TypeTotal Count (Approx.)Type GenerationPrimary Operating European NATO Countries (Approximate Active Fleet)
F-16 Fighting Falcon~4604th GenTurkey (Largest Operator), Greece, Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Romania
Eurofighter Typhoon~4704.5 GenUK (~160), Germany (~143), Italy (~96), Spain (~73)
F-35 Lightning II~1905th GenNorway (~52), Netherlands (~49), UK (~37), Italy (~37), Denmark (~15)
Dassault Rafale~1364.5 GenFrance (~136), Croatia (Acquiring)
Saab JAS-39 Gripen~994/4.5 GenSweden (~75 C/D/E models), Czechia (~12), Hungary (~14-18)
Panavia Tornado~1203.5 GenGermany (~80), Italy (~40)
F/A-18 Hornet~814th GenSpain (~81, EF-18A/B)
MiG-29 Fulcrum~244th GenPoland (~11-14), Bulgaria (~10-13)
McDonnell Douglas F-4~363rd GenGreece (~17), Turkey (~19, Terminator 2020)
Total Operational Fleet~1,690+

But anyway it's a lot of air power.

That is what I got, but maybe not all F-35 are operational yet and some of the older types may not be fully operational anymore.

Aircraft TypeTotal Count (Approx.)Type GenerationPrimary Operating European NATO Countries (Approximate Active Fleet)
F-16 Fighting Falcon~4604th GenTurkey (Largest Operator), Greece, Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Romania
Eurofighter Typhoon~4704.5 GenUK (~160), Germany (~143), Italy (~96), Spain (~73)
F-35 Lightning II~1905th GenNorway (~52), Netherlands (~49), UK (~37), Italy (~37), Denmark (~15)
Dassault Rafale~1364.5 GenFrance (~136), Croatia (Acquiring)
Saab JAS-39 Gripen~994/4.5 GenSweden (~75 C/D/E models), Czechia (~12), Hungary (~14-18)
Panavia Tornado~1203.5 GenGermany (~80), Italy (~40)
F/A-18 Hornet~814th GenSpain (~81, EF-18A/B)
MiG-29 Fulcrum~244th GenPoland (~11-14), Bulgaria (~10-13)
McDonnell Douglas F-4~363rd GenGreece (~17), Turkey (~19, Terminator 2020)
Total Operational Fleet~1,690+

But anyway it's a lot of air power.
Missing finnish 60+ F-18C/Ds ...and classifying Mig-29 as 4th gen fighter is rather hmm... optimistic.
 
Oil spill can happen. St Pete is close to Finland and we care about the environment of Suomi. I have another idea. In the Far East, the nearest country to Russian oil terminals is DPRK. Hey, Pyongyang, ask me if I care.

Ahh. I had forgotten Finland was close by and I agree with you.

I have long expected Ukraine to let a swarm of drones off a disposable ship near to Vladivostok to destroy an oil refinery there so that Putin gets the message that no part of Russia is beyond Ukrainian ingenuity and your idea of using the submarine in that area would work just as well. Both together would really shock the Russians.
 
Last edited:
It could be possible for Ukraine to get authority to launch the deep strikes but to get the older versions from the UK.
Wasn't one of the reasons for the (now expired) arms agreement against land attack cruise missions that the targeted country cannot tell if they are nuclear or conventional, and thus must choose the worst case scenario and react accordingly? If Ukraine launches a TLAM against the Kremlin, how is Russia to know it's not a nuclear-tipped decapitation strike?
 
Wasn't one of the reasons for the (now expired) arms agreement against land attack cruise missions that the targeted country cannot tell if they are nuclear or conventional, and thus must choose the worst case scenario and react accordingly? If Ukraine launches a TLAM against the Kremlin, how is Russia to know it's not a nuclear-tipped decapitation strike?
A good point, but the same argument can be applied to any cruise missile. This is because a nuclear warhead can be very small, and weigh as little as 40 to 50 pounds.

Tomahawks have been used multiple times and the UK weapons are not nuclear.
 
The M2/3 Bradley is over 30 years old and so is the F-16...

Again:

Thumpalumpacus said:
Out of context -- ten yards and the loss of down.

Reading is fundamental. Go look at my original point. It was about how Cessnas penetrating air-defenses 35 years ago is not relevant in this discussion. It was not about any aged gear that still finds use in the battlespace. Christ, people.
 
Do I hear the first sounds of retreat?

US Envoy Kellogg backs away from reports of Tomahawks for Ukraine


US Special Envoy Keith Kellogg says that his previous comments about the possible transfer of Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine do not reflect internal decisions in Washington. He stresses that the use of these missiles could significantly change the course of the war, The Guardian reports.

Speaking at the Warsaw Security Forum, Kellogg stresses that he was only referring to public statements about providing Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles and had no inside information about the process or the final decision.
call to action icon
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back