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The M-113?...
I wonder how stuff from three decades ago is relevant.
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That is what I got, but maybe not all F-35 are operational yet and some of the older types may not be fully operational anymore.
Aircraft Type Total Count (Approx.) Type Generation Primary Operating European NATO Countries (Approximate Active Fleet) F-16 Fighting Falcon ~460 4th Gen Turkey (Largest Operator), Greece, Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Romania Eurofighter Typhoon ~470 4.5 Gen UK (~160), Germany (~143), Italy (~96), Spain (~73) F-35 Lightning II ~190 5th Gen Norway (~52), Netherlands (~49), UK (~37), Italy (~37), Denmark (~15) Dassault Rafale ~136 4.5 Gen France (~136), Croatia (Acquiring) Saab JAS-39 Gripen ~99 4/4.5 Gen Sweden (~75 C/D/E models), Czechia (~12), Hungary (~14-18) Panavia Tornado ~120 3.5 Gen Germany (~80), Italy (~40) F/A-18 Hornet ~81 4th Gen Spain (~81, EF-18A/B) MiG-29 Fulcrum ~24 4th Gen Poland (~11-14), Bulgaria (~10-13) McDonnell Douglas F-4 ~36 3rd Gen Greece (~17), Turkey (~19, Terminator 2020) Total Operational Fleet ~1,690+
But anyway it's a lot of air power.
Missing finnish 60+ F-18C/Ds ...and classifying Mig-29 as 4th gen fighter is rather hmm... optimistic.That is what I got, but maybe not all F-35 are operational yet and some of the older types may not be fully operational anymore.
Aircraft Type Total Count (Approx.) Type Generation Primary Operating European NATO Countries (Approximate Active Fleet) F-16 Fighting Falcon ~460 4th Gen Turkey (Largest Operator), Greece, Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Romania Eurofighter Typhoon ~470 4.5 Gen UK (~160), Germany (~143), Italy (~96), Spain (~73) F-35 Lightning II ~190 5th Gen Norway (~52), Netherlands (~49), UK (~37), Italy (~37), Denmark (~15) Dassault Rafale ~136 4.5 Gen France (~136), Croatia (Acquiring) Saab JAS-39 Gripen ~99 4/4.5 Gen Sweden (~75 C/D/E models), Czechia (~12), Hungary (~14-18) Panavia Tornado ~120 3.5 Gen Germany (~80), Italy (~40) F/A-18 Hornet ~81 4th Gen Spain (~81, EF-18A/B) MiG-29 Fulcrum ~24 4th Gen Poland (~11-14), Bulgaria (~10-13) McDonnell Douglas F-4 ~36 3rd Gen Greece (~17), Turkey (~19, Terminator 2020) Total Operational Fleet ~1,690+
But anyway it's a lot of air power.
The M-113?
Oil spill can happen. St Pete is close to Finland and we care about the environment of Suomi. I have another idea. In the Far East, the nearest country to Russian oil terminals is DPRK. Hey, Pyongyang, ask me if I care.
I would suggest that he is on his own side, whilst his people are on the side of Ukraine and the West.Tangentially related - who's side is Orbán on?
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Just a thought on this. The UK has tomahawk cruise missiles and fairly recently ordered new ones which would imply that we may well have some older ones reaching the end of their life. It could be possible for Ukraine to get authority to launch the deep strikes but to get the older versions from the UK.
Wasn't one of the reasons for the (now expired) arms agreement against land attack cruise missions that the targeted country cannot tell if they are nuclear or conventional, and thus must choose the worst case scenario and react accordingly? If Ukraine launches a TLAM against the Kremlin, how is Russia to know it's not a nuclear-tipped decapitation strike?It could be possible for Ukraine to get authority to launch the deep strikes but to get the older versions from the UK.
A good point, but the same argument can be applied to any cruise missile. This is because a nuclear warhead can be very small, and weigh as little as 40 to 50 pounds.Wasn't one of the reasons for the (now expired) arms agreement against land attack cruise missions that the targeted country cannot tell if they are nuclear or conventional, and thus must choose the worst case scenario and react accordingly? If Ukraine launches a TLAM against the Kremlin, how is Russia to know it's not a nuclear-tipped decapitation strike?
The M2/3 Bradley is over 30 years old and so is the F-16...I wonder how stuff from three decades ago is relevant.
The M2/3 Bradley is over 30 years old and so is the F-16...
Thumpalumpacus said:Out of context -- ten yards and the loss of down.
In less than two years so will the F-22. Here's its first flight in 1997. Time's a relentless bitch.The M2/3 Bradley is over 30 years old and so is the F-16...