"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (10 Viewers)

[buffnut453]

During the last few days, I scanned some Russian sources - Telegram channels and forums in order to understand how people in RF discussed the "Moskva" cruiser sinking. Mostly, it was as expected: anger, sadness, blaming NATO and all "West" (because, you know, they are fighting NATO, not Ukraine).
But one thing did surprise me: they mourned the ship, not the crew. Just several questions such as "but how many boys did survive", immediately rebuked: "this is a war and our leadership knows what to disclose". And most of the talk was about the ship, her weapons, her history, her "glory".
Certain things never change in the Moscow-land. They do value their military toys more than human lives.

Thanks for sharing Dimlee. I'm intrigued by the "this is war" comment. I thought it was a special military operation.

It's the same contradiction when we saw a Russian politician on TV state that the sinking of Moskva was "an act of war." If it was a self-inflicted fire, how can it be an act of war?

 

[Glider]

You will all have seen that Russia has started to attack areas that are very important to the Ukraine Army such ast tank repair centres, missile factories and have threatened to attack supplies coming into the Ukraine once they cross the border.

I certainly don't pretend to be a strategic colossus, but I am pretty sure I would have prioritised those targets first, certainly before targeting hospitals, schools and other civilian area's.

 

[SaparotRob]

I guess it depends if one is waging war or waging terror.

 

[GTX]

More ranting. Let's start shipping M-1 Abrams to Poland. How long to train crews who might already be familiar with, oh I don't know, T-72s maybe? Let's assume the trainees are motivated.

First ones arrive later this year:

Abrams for Poland - we reinforce the potential of the Polish Armed Forces - Ministry of National Defence - Gov.pl website

“It is a very important day in the history of Polish-American cooperation, but also a very important day when it comes to the history of the Polish Armed Forces. An agreement has just been signed, that guarantees the delivery of 250 Abrams tanks in the most modern version for the Polish Army. In...

www.gov.pl

 

[SaparotRob]

First ones arrive later this year:

Abrams for Poland - we reinforce the potential of the Polish Armed Forces - Ministry of National Defence - Gov.pl website

“It is a very important day in the history of Polish-American cooperation, but also a very important day when it comes to the history of the Polish Armed Forces. An agreement has just been signed, that guarantees the delivery of 250 Abrams tanks in the most modern version for the Polish Army. In...

www.gov.pl

 

[Glider]

I guess it depends if one is waging war or waging terror.

True definately but with what is going on around them I am willing to bet that Poland will be full steam ahead on this

 

[buffnut453]

First pictures that purportedly show survivors from the Moskva:

 

[SaparotRob]

I'll bet they get checked for heart problems right away.

 

[special ed]

It's unfortunate they allowed their ammunition to catch fire. Will they all go to Siberia for losing their ship and surviving?

 

[GTX]

Dead me walking if real

 

[Glider]

I'm sorry but this doesn't pass my smell test. To be sunk in such a manner is hugely traumatic. Then in a couple of days rescue them, transport them back to home port, reissue the uniforms and then stand on parade.

It can be done and may well have happened, but it doesn't feel right.

 

[MiTasol]

And from some of the reports, that only a handful survived, I would suspect a lot of those in that line were assigned to the ship just before the parade.

 

[GTX]

I'm sorry but this doesn't pass my smell test. To be sunk in such a manner is hugely traumatic. Then in a couple of days rescue them, transport them back to home port, reissue the uniforms and then stand on parade.

It can be done and may well have happened, but it doesn't feel right.

Agreed

 

[MiTasol]

I too like to get different news perspectives. It's worth watching other news sources because if you only watch the ones that tell you what you want to hear you often aren't getting the news.

RT is just straight propaganda though and a waste of time.

I agree. I routinely watch DW from Germany as well as two US sources (NOT Fox - it is owned by Australias most dangerous export) a Kiwi and an Aus source (again not owned by Murdoch).

 

[SaparotRob]

Same.

 

[wlewisiii]

I miss DW's shortwave English service. I used to love relaxing in a hot bath while listening to it.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

It's the same contradiction when we saw a Russian politician on TV state that the sinking of Moskva was "an act of war." If it was a self-inflicted fire, how can it be an act of war?

It WAS a "special military operation". Now this loss has escalated it to "act of war" status, regardless of the cause of it. The culprit, friendly or hostile, WILL suffer!

 

[XBe02Drvr]

It's unfortunate they allowed their ammunition to catch fire. Will they all go to Siberia for losing their ship and surviving?

Well, for sure any of them who were aware of incoming Neptunes will need to be out of circulation before they can contaminate anyone else. They're already most likely not in that inspection lineup, along with any ordnance types or damage control troops who might contradict the party line.

 

[SaparotRob]

It WAS a "special military operation". Now this loss has escalated it to "act of war" status, regardless of the cause of it. The culprit, friendly or hostile, WILL suffer!

Uh-oh. The forces of Nature are on Putin's sh!t list.

 

[GrauGeist]

Those guys all looked to be in great shape, considering their ship suffered a massive explosion, fire and sinking...