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During the last few days, I scanned some Russian sources - Telegram channels and forums in order to understand how people in RF discussed the "Moskva" cruiser sinking. Mostly, it was as expected: anger, sadness, blaming NATO and all "West" (because, you know, they are fighting NATO, not Ukraine).
But one thing did surprise me: they mourned the ship, not the crew. Just several questions such as "but how many boys did survive", immediately rebuked: "this is a war and our leadership knows what to disclose". And most of the talk was about the ship, her weapons, her history, her "glory".
Certain things never change in the Moscow-land. They do value their military toys more than human lives.
First ones arrive later this year:More ranting. Let's start shipping M-1 Abrams to Poland. How long to train crews who might already be familiar with, oh I don't know, T-72s maybe? Let's assume the trainees are motivated.
First ones arrive later this year:
Abrams for Poland - we reinforce the potential of the Polish Armed Forces - Ministry of National Defence - Gov.pl website
“It is a very important day in the history of Polish-American cooperation, but also a very important day when it comes to the history of the Polish Armed Forces. An agreement has just been signed, that guarantees the delivery of 250 Abrams tanks in the most modern version for the Polish Army. In...www.gov.pl
True definately but with what is going on around them I am willing to bet that Poland will be full steam ahead on thisI guess it depends if one is waging war or waging terror.
AgreedI'm sorry but this doesn't pass my smell test. To be sunk in such a manner is hugely traumatic. Then in a couple of days rescue them, transport them back to home port, reissue the uniforms and then stand on parade.
It can be done and may well have happened, but it doesn't feel right.
I agree. I routinely watch DW from Germany as well as two US sources (NOT Fox - it is owned by Australias most dangerous export) a Kiwi and an Aus source (again not owned by Murdoch).I too like to get different news perspectives. It's worth watching other news sources because if you only watch the ones that tell you what you want to hear you often aren't getting the news.
RT is just straight propaganda though and a waste of time.
It WAS a "special military operation". Now this loss has escalated it to "act of war" status, regardless of the cause of it. The culprit, friendly or hostile, WILL suffer!It's the same contradiction when we saw a Russian politician on TV state that the sinking of Moskva was "an act of war." If it was a self-inflicted fire, how can it be an act of war?
Well, for sure any of them who were aware of incoming Neptunes will need to be out of circulation before they can contaminate anyone else. They're already most likely not in that inspection lineup, along with any ordnance types or damage control troops who might contradict the party line.It's unfortunate they allowed their ammunition to catch fire. Will they all go to Siberia for losing their ship and surviving?
Uh-oh. The forces of Nature are on Putin's sh!t list.It WAS a "special military operation". Now this loss has escalated it to "act of war" status, regardless of the cause of it. The culprit, friendly or hostile, WILL suffer!