SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Being a Cold War Kid, I enjoyed that a bit more than I should.
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Considering they have a modern tradition of naval incidents another self inflicted incident shouldn't raise too many eyebrowsInteresting "horns of a dilemma" problem there. Does the Kremlin blame an attack by Ukraine, which is a major shift in narrative and inspires criticism that the Black Sea Fleet' flagship couldn't defend itself....or do they stick with the accidental fire story which suggests incompetence within the Russian Navy.
Considering they have a modern tradition of naval incidents another self inflicted incident shouldn't raise too many eyebrows
(Kursk and Kuznetsov for instance).
Not sure I agree. Kursk and Kuznetsov were peacetime accidents. Theoretically, Moskva was on a wartime footing. One would expect their damage control drills to be much more effectively practiced.
If these two missiles were launched from this island, and the Moskva was 20-40mls away? seems to me that the Russian intel. simply wasn't aware about these missiles beingAlthough signals intel is still being analyzed, it appears that there is no indication that Moskva was aware she was under attack before the first missile hit. Elint detected no sudden change in radar signatures (ie fire control radars or ECM systems coming online) nor were there any unusual communications between the Moskva and the other assets in the area (prior to the first impact) that would indicate a sudden awareness of incoming missiles. Apparently the missiles hit about 10 sec apart.
NOTE Source for the above is usually accurate.
Over confidence mixed with lack of training, perhaps?Although signals intel is still being analyzed, it appears that there is no indication that Moskva was aware she was under attack before the first missile hit. Elint detected no sudden change in radar signatures (ie fire control radars or ECM systems coming online) nor were there any unusual communications between the Moskva and the other assets in the area (prior to the first impact) that would indicate a sudden awareness of incoming missiles. Apparently the missiles hit about 10 sec apart.
NOTE Source for the above is usually accurate.
well there was that military coup against gorbachev during the collapseDream on! Short of another 1917 they haven't got it in them. The DQ (Desperation Quotient) is nowhere near that level yet.
yes, but it came down to replacing a "weak" man with a supposedly stronger man. or if you prefer a liberal person with a hardliner.well there was that military coup against gorbachev during the collapse
its really surprising that gorbachev wasnt overthrown. Probably the best leader of the USSR.yes, but it came down to replacing a "weak" man with a supposedly stronger man. or if you prefer a liberal person with a hardliner.
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Jagdflieger
He was, but came back.its really surprising that gorbachev wasnt overthrown. Probably the best leader of the USSR.
Not sure I agree. Kursk and Kuznetsov were peacetime accidents. Theoretically, Moskva was on a wartime footing. One would expect their damage control drills to be much more effectively practiced.
For all Moscow's efforts to hide the realities of the war in Ukraine, it will all seep out eventually. There will simply be too many parents, siblings or spouses who lost family members and their neighbours will know them. It's like King Cnut trying to hold back the tide...it will come in. I just hope it happens soon and that there's a suitable reckoning for Putin and his cronies.