"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (1 Viewer)

Macandy · Apr 19, 2022

This photo shows you what a farce a Russian 'warship' is. This is the Moskvas S-300 missile silo.
A 'warship'? It's a fake, it's no better built than a cheap a merchant ship, with land based S-300 missiles wedged in.
No armoured VLC cells able to contain a missile cook off, no water deluge systems, no high capacity sprinkler mains, no compartmentalisation. A huge missile silo filled with unprotected launch tubes that stretches from the upper deck to the keel and the engine room to the aft hanger

A 'warship\
'?

special ed · Apr 19, 2022

ThomasP said:
Although signals intel is still being analyzed, it appears that there is no indication that Moskva was aware she was under attack before the first missile hit. Elint detected no sudden change in radar signatures (ie fire control radars or ECM systems coming online) nor were there any unusual communications between the Moskva and the other assets in the area (prior to the first impact) that would indicate a sudden awareness of incoming missiles. Apparently the missiles hit about 10 sec apart.

NOTE Source for the above is usually accurate.

Ten seconds apart is just enough time to say, "What was that?" (In Russian)

JDCAVE · Apr 19, 2022

Jagdflieger said:
If these two missiles were launched from this island, and the Moskva was 20-40mls away? seems to me that the Russian intel. simply wasn't aware about these missiles being
stationed there. otherwise it would have been total stupidity and neglect to sail that close by.

Regards
Jagdflieger

What island?

Macandy · Apr 19, 2022

ThomasP said:
Although signals intel is still being analyzed, it appears that there is no indication that Moskva was aware she was under attack before the first missile hit. Elint detected no sudden change in radar signatures (ie fire control radars or ECM systems coming online) nor were there any unusual communications between the Moskva and the other assets in the area (prior to the first impact) that would indicate a sudden awareness of incoming missiles. Apparently the missiles hit about 10 sec apart.

NOTE Source for the above is usually accurate.

Neptune can be launched at a designated position as long as someone provides OTH targeting.
A TB2 will do, but there is also the ever present NATO Intel assets just south of Crimea in the Black Sea who will have been watching Moskva 24/7
Having flown passively to the pre designated kill box, it would only have required the missiles to to a quick pop up and scan to get a fix for their end run.
At that point, the only defence is your CWIS systems, and they were utterly useless on the night.

buffnut453 · Apr 19, 2022

More from the Kremlin....apparently they won't use nukes in Ukraine:

Russia will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says.

Asked about the issue in an interview with TV channel India Today, Lavrov says: "Conventional weapons only."

Early on in the war, Vladimir Putin ordered Russia's nuclear forces be placed on high alert, and a number of Russian government figures have signalled the country would be willing to use them in certain circumstances.

Lavrov also says, with Russia's offensive now focused on Ukraine's east, the war is entering a new phase, echoing similar comments from the Ukrainian military.

"The operation in the east of Ukraine is aimed, as was announced from the very beginning, to fully liberate the [self-proclaimed] Donetsk and Luhansk republics. And this operation will continue," he says.

"Another stage of this operation is beginning, and I am sure this will be a very important moment of this entire special operation."

Then again, I seem to recall the Kremlin saying that they weren't going to invade Ukraine, either!

Admiral Beez · Apr 19, 2022

vikingBerserker said:
It all comes down to training. I was reading the average Russian pilot gets almost half the annual flight time as their Western counterparts.

We can rightfully scoff at the Russians incompetence in the air, on the ground and now sea. But they have the mass to roll right over eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainians may have the motivation, training and western weapons, but they're facing over 120,000 Russian troops, Eastern Ukraine offensive - Wikipedia. I wish the Ukrainians well, but am not optimistic.

Jagdflieger · Apr 19, 2022

JDCAVE said:
What island?

Maybe I am wrong - I was under the impression that these missiles had been launched or guided from an island near Rybakivka
see map.

Regards
Jagdflieger

SaparotRob · Apr 19, 2022

I think that's Snake Island. You know, " Russian warship, go f*** yourself ".

Admiral Beez · Apr 19, 2022

Macandy said:
This photo shows you what a farce a Russian 'warship' is. This is the Moskvas S-300 missile silo.
A 'warship'? It's a fake, it's no better built than a cheap a merchant ship, with land based S-300 missiles wedged in.
No armoured VLC cells able to contain a missile cook off, no water deluge systems, no high capacity sprinkler mains, no compartmentalisation. A huge missile silo filled with unprotected launch tubes that stretches from the upper deck to the keel and the engine room to the aft hanger

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A 'warship\
'?

Why are all Russian missiles seemingly packed into sewer pipes?

Jagdflieger · Apr 19, 2022

SaparotRob said:
I think that's Snake Island. You know, " Russian warship, go f*** yourself ".

yes, that is probably the island I had in mind

Regards
Jagdflieger

J_P_C · Apr 19, 2022

Admiral Beez said:
Why are all Russian missiles seemingly packed into sewer pipes?

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exactly the same reason why 90% of missiles using cold start system are packed in similar tubular containers - we are calling this ... physics.

space dodo · Apr 19, 2022

Admiral Beez said:
We can rightfully scoff at the Russians incompetence in the air, on the ground and now sea. But they have the mass to roll right over eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainians may have the motivation, training and western weapons, but they're facing over 120,000 Russian troops, Eastern Ukraine offensive - Wikipedia. I wish the Ukrainians well, but am not optimistic.

the russian army has always been a blunt instrument, always focusing on quantity over quality.

wlewisiii · Apr 19, 2022

Major props to this man's honor:

space dodo · Apr 19, 2022

wlewisiii said:
Major props to this man's honor:

what a legend

wlewisiii · Apr 19, 2022

This one is just as good but in a different kind of way...

wlewisiii · Apr 19, 2022

OMFG! The Stupidity! IT BURNS!

vikingBerserker · Apr 19, 2022

Ok, that has to be a joke.

Glider · Apr 19, 2022

You have to give her full marks for imagination. I'm waiting for Harry Potter to be blamed

Jerad · Apr 19, 2022

Videos from Mariupol from Azov battalion. First two appeared on YouTube today/yesterday, third
little over a week

Friendly fire grenade

Macandy · Apr 19, 2022

J_P_C said:
exactly the same reason why 90% of missiles using cold start system are packed in similar tubular containers - we are calling this ... physics.

However, we is the West have the good sense to pack even our cold start missiles in Silos capable of containing the motor cooking off, and a deluge system to stop the warhead cooking off.

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