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Hey Jagdflieger,

re "Thank you, so 130 or 94 BTG's = 70,000-100,000 men would include according to your stats 35-45,000 LDNR units."

No.

From the start of the invasion in February the Russians fed ~180,000 troops into the Ukraine from Belarus, Russia, and by landing ships from the Black Sea (the airborne troops flew in from Russia). At the start of the invasion there were already ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists engaged on the eastern front. There were also a relatively small number of Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) estimated at less than 3,000 - already engaged in the fighting on the eastern front.
 
Again you are bringing up February - I am talking about END of MARCH til NOW. geezzh...
 
US Intelligence reported in late March that 120 Russian BTGs had deployed in Ukraine at some point in the previous month. Specifically Russian.

US Intelligence briefing as of 24 April had 85 Russian BTGs actively engaged in Donbass. Again specifically Russia. That's per a US Congressional Research Service 27 April update.

A further 22 BTGs have been identified as undergoing rest/refit to the north and east. That's US Intelligence information from some point prior to 19th April.

UK MoD has a further 11 Russian BTGs operating in the regions north and north-east of Crimea, up to Mariupol.
 
Hey Jagdflieger,

And there are still ~35,000 to 40,000 Russian backed separatists engaging the UAF on the eastern front. There are also a very large number of Russian troops estimated at ~110,000+ that have redeployed/are redeploying eastward from the other engagements areas in the Ukraine (I think the latest intel says that the areas around Kyiv and north of Kyiv are empty of Russian troops now). Then there is the 18th Mechanized Division of ~15,000 deploying from Russia to the east. And there are still the Russian troops that originally deployed in the south (estimated at ~15,000).

The total forces in Ukraine fighting against the UAF therefor currently amount to ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists + ~110,000 Russian troops redeployed/redeploying from the areas originally invade in the central Ukraine to the east + the ~15,000 Russian troops of the 18th Mechanized Infantry Division + ~15,000 Russian troops in the south + ~3,000 Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) for a grand total of ~178,000 to 188,000.

Note that only 35,000 to 45,000 are Russian backed separatists. The rest are Russian, with a small number of mercenary troops thrown in.
 
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Jagdflieger said:
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Du armer wahnsinniger idiot. Wir lachen über deinen Unsinn.

Aber bitte weitermachen, der Spaß lohnt sich.
 
Hey Jagdflieger,

Jabberwocky's post above gives a total number of BTG somewhere around 118. A full strength Russian BTG usually has around 800+ men depending on what specialist units are directly attached.

118 x 800+ = 94,400+

When you add in all the support units for the typical combat unit organizations you can estimate the total number of Russian troops in the Ukraine at about 1.5x to 2x the number of line troops, so

1.5 x 94,400 = 141,600
to
2.0 x 94,400 = 188,800

If you add up just the Russian troops I listed in my post#5,307 you get ~143,000 troops. That is toward the small end of the spectrum, but I suspect it is due to some of the non-combat support units being just across the border in Russia.
 
Interesting bit of info;

"Russia forcing occupied Ukrainians to use its mobile network"

Another interesting bit of info:

NATO intel assets have indicated that Putin and his buddies have decided to keep the Russian combat units in Ukraine during rebuild of material and replacement of troop combat losses. When you combine this with the Russian troops having been forced to turn in/dispose of their personel cell phones, it appears the intent is to control/prevent contact/communication between troops in the Ukraine and civilians in Russia.
 
Jagdflieger said:
Thank you, so 130 or 94 BTG's = 70,000-100,000 men would include according to your stats 35-45,000 LDNR units.
Then why would I need to forward proof with my statement that the actual number of Russian units in combat is less then 50,000?
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Maybe you would like to comment on the following. I would certainly like your views. You will note that units of the 8th Army only form a very small percentage of the Order of battle. This is my supporting evidence, where is you evidence (not a pile of assumptions)

Order of battle of the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
 
30 April 2022 Intel briefing

Russia is deploying forces drawn from its Eastern Military District units along with several air-defense assets believed to be from the Central Military District. They have reportedly begun moving from Belgorod to the Izyum front to support Russian units attempting to advance south of the city. It is believed the units currently in the Izyum front have been or will soon be attrited to the point where they are no longer capable of offensive operations.
 
Jagdflieger said:
The issue is that due to the LDNR units having officially being integrated into the 8th Russian army since March 3rd - NATO simply isn't able or willing to differentiate
between the "real" Russian army and the in-cooperated LDNR units.
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let me ask just single basic question - what is your basis for making split between "separatist" and "russian units"? - both are conscripted under russian federation flag, equipped and commanded by russia. Is any difference if soldiers are conscripted in village under Vladivostok or Donetsk? Except of fact that this one from Donetsk are highly probable to shoot their own officers and change colors of the bands on their arms????
 
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