Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
- 580
- Mar 23, 2022
Language, language - okay!!
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Nein - I call it like I see it.
Would you be more comfortable if I called your posts "глупости", then?
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Hey Jagdflieger,
re "Thank you, so 130 or 94 BTG's = 70,000-100,000 men would include according to your stats 35-45,000 LDNR units."
No.
From the start of the invasion in February the Russians fed ~180,000 troops into the Ukraine from Belarus, Russia, and by landing ships from the Black Sea (the airborne troops flew in from Russia). At the start of the invasion there were already ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists engaged on the eastern front. There were also a relatively small number of Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) estimated at less than 3,000 - already engaged in the fighting on the eastern front.
re "Thank you, so 130 or 94 BTG's = 70,000-100,000 men would include according to your stats 35-45,000 LDNR units."
No.
From the start of the invasion in February the Russians fed ~180,000 troops into the Ukraine from Belarus, Russia, and by landing ships from the Black Sea (the airborne troops flew in from Russia). At the start of the invasion there were already ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists engaged on the eastern front. There were also a relatively small number of Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) estimated at less than 3,000 - already engaged in the fighting on the eastern front.
Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
- 580
- Mar 23, 2022
Again you are bringing up February - I am talking about END of MARCH til NOW. geezzh...
Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
- 580
- Mar 23, 2022
Wenn Du an einer zivilisierten Diskussion nicht interessiert bist, oder nichts substanzielles beitragen kannst, dann spar Dir doch einfach Deine meist voellig deplazierten und falschen Aussagen.
Mit schoenem Gruss
Jabberwocky
Staff Sergeant
US Intelligence reported in late March that 120 Russian BTGs had deployed in Ukraine at some point in the previous month. Specifically Russian.
US Intelligence briefing as of 24 April had 85 Russian BTGs actively engaged in Donbass. Again specifically Russia. That's per a US Congressional Research Service 27 April update.
A further 22 BTGs have been identified as undergoing rest/refit to the north and east. That's US Intelligence information from some point prior to 19th April.
UK MoD has a further 11 Russian BTGs operating in the regions north and north-east of Crimea, up to Mariupol.
US Intelligence briefing as of 24 April had 85 Russian BTGs actively engaged in Donbass. Again specifically Russia. That's per a US Congressional Research Service 27 April update.
A further 22 BTGs have been identified as undergoing rest/refit to the north and east. That's US Intelligence information from some point prior to 19th April.
UK MoD has a further 11 Russian BTGs operating in the regions north and north-east of Crimea, up to Mariupol.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Hey Jagdflieger,
And there are still ~35,000 to 40,000 Russian backed separatists engaging the UAF on the eastern front. There are also a very large number of Russian troops estimated at ~110,000+ that have redeployed/are redeploying eastward from the other engagements areas in the Ukraine (I think the latest intel says that the areas around Kyiv and north of Kyiv are empty of Russian troops now). Then there is the 18th Mechanized Division of ~15,000 deploying from Russia to the east. And there are still the Russian troops that originally deployed in the south (estimated at ~15,000).
The total forces in Ukraine fighting against the UAF therefor currently amount to ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists + ~110,000 Russian troops redeployed/redeploying from the areas originally invade in the central Ukraine to the east + the ~15,000 Russian troops of the 18th Mechanized Infantry Division + ~15,000 Russian troops in the south + ~3,000 Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) for a grand total of ~178,000 to 188,000.
Note that only 35,000 to 45,000 are Russian backed separatists. The rest are Russian, with a small number of mercenary troops thrown in.
And there are still ~35,000 to 40,000 Russian backed separatists engaging the UAF on the eastern front. There are also a very large number of Russian troops estimated at ~110,000+ that have redeployed/are redeploying eastward from the other engagements areas in the Ukraine (I think the latest intel says that the areas around Kyiv and north of Kyiv are empty of Russian troops now). Then there is the 18th Mechanized Division of ~15,000 deploying from Russia to the east. And there are still the Russian troops that originally deployed in the south (estimated at ~15,000).
The total forces in Ukraine fighting against the UAF therefor currently amount to ~35,000 to 45,000 Russian backed separatists + ~110,000 Russian troops redeployed/redeploying from the areas originally invade in the central Ukraine to the east + the ~15,000 Russian troops of the 18th Mechanized Infantry Division + ~15,000 Russian troops in the south + ~3,000 Russian troops (regular, irregular mercenary, advisors, and whatever else you want to call them) for a grand total of ~178,000 to 188,000.
Note that only 35,000 to 45,000 are Russian backed separatists. The rest are Russian, with a small number of mercenary troops thrown in.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Du armer wahnsinniger idiot. Wir lachen über deinen Unsinn.
Aber bitte weitermachen, der Spaß lohnt sich.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Hey Jagdflieger,
Jabberwocky's post above gives a total number of BTG somewhere around 118. A full strength Russian BTG usually has around 800+ men depending on what specialist units are directly attached.
118 x 800+ = 94,400+
When you add in all the support units for the typical combat unit organizations you can estimate the total number of Russian troops in the Ukraine at about 1.5x to 2x the number of line troops, so
1.5 x 94,400 = 141,600
to
2.0 x 94,400 = 188,800
If you add up just the Russian troops I listed in my post#5,307 you get ~143,000 troops. That is toward the small end of the spectrum, but I suspect it is due to some of the non-combat support units being just across the border in Russia.
Jabberwocky's post above gives a total number of BTG somewhere around 118. A full strength Russian BTG usually has around 800+ men depending on what specialist units are directly attached.
118 x 800+ = 94,400+
When you add in all the support units for the typical combat unit organizations you can estimate the total number of Russian troops in the Ukraine at about 1.5x to 2x the number of line troops, so
1.5 x 94,400 = 141,600
to
2.0 x 94,400 = 188,800
If you add up just the Russian troops I listed in my post#5,307 you get ~143,000 troops. That is toward the small end of the spectrum, but I suspect it is due to some of the non-combat support units being just across the border in Russia.
at6
1st Sergeant
Are you sure that you don't work for rags like Pravda?
at6
1st Sergeant
Since my German is limited{severely I might add}, I noticed that a certain poster only joined us after the Putin piss fest started. No wonder he has secret sources to be "trusted".Du armer wahnsinniger idiot. Wir lachen über deinen Unsinn.
Aber bitte weitermachen, der Spaß lohnt sich.
at6
1st Sergeant
The more dead Russian Generals the better. The stupid troops might get the message. "Russians go home".
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Interesting bit of info;
"Russia forcing occupied Ukrainians to use its mobile network"
Another interesting bit of info:
NATO intel assets have indicated that Putin and his buddies have decided to keep the Russian combat units in Ukraine during rebuild of material and replacement of troop combat losses. When you combine this with the Russian troops having been forced to turn in/dispose of their personel cell phones, it appears the intent is to control/prevent contact/communication between troops in the Ukraine and civilians in Russia.
"Russia forcing occupied Ukrainians to use its mobile network"
Another interesting bit of info:
NATO intel assets have indicated that Putin and his buddies have decided to keep the Russian combat units in Ukraine during rebuild of material and replacement of troop combat losses. When you combine this with the Russian troops having been forced to turn in/dispose of their personel cell phones, it appears the intent is to control/prevent contact/communication between troops in the Ukraine and civilians in Russia.
at6
1st Sergeant
There was coverage of a funeral for a dead Russian soldier. For some reason I felt no sympathy for the whore or her dead bastard.
Glider
Captain
Maybe you would like to comment on the following. I would certainly like your views. You will note that units of the 8th Army only form a very small percentage of the Order of battle. This is my supporting evidence, where is you evidence (not a pile of assumptions)
Order of battle for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
30 April 2022 Intel briefing
Russia is deploying forces drawn from its Eastern Military District units along with several air-defense assets believed to be from the Central Military District. They have reportedly begun moving from Belgorod to the Izyum front to support Russian units attempting to advance south of the city. It is believed the units currently in the Izyum front have been or will soon be attrited to the point where they are no longer capable of offensive operations.
Russia is deploying forces drawn from its Eastern Military District units along with several air-defense assets believed to be from the Central Military District. They have reportedly begun moving from Belgorod to the Izyum front to support Russian units attempting to advance south of the city. It is believed the units currently in the Izyum front have been or will soon be attrited to the point where they are no longer capable of offensive operations.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
- 1,670
- Feb 27, 2020
This forum is worth a russian disinformation campaign?
What a honour! It must be much more influential than I think!
Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
- 580
- Mar 23, 2022
Mir geht es bei den meisten Postings von Euch, speziell in diesem Thread genauso - also bitte weiter soDu armer wahnsinniger idiot. Wir lachen über deinen Unsinn.
Aber bitte weitermachen, der Spaß lohnt sich.
let me ask just single basic question - what is your basis for making split between "separatist" and "russian units"? - both are conscripted under russian federation flag, equipped and commanded by russia. Is any difference if soldiers are conscripted in village under Vladivostok or Donetsk? Except of fact that this one from Donetsk are highly probable to shoot their own officers and change colors of the bands on their arms????
