Jagdflieger
Senior Airman
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- Mar 23, 2022
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No problem.Ain't jumping on you. I think you bring up some good points though your sources may be suspect. Russian forces may be better or larger than Allied estimates. That seems to me an historical "fact" (Allies underestimating remaining Axis aircraft for example). One side can't know everything about its opponent. Perhaps you might be trying to sound a warning against "unbridled enthusiasm". That is something I am for. Never underestimate your enemy, although it's getting harder and harder for me at this point.
I do question your posting that considerable numbers of LNDR were "very well trained". RF forces up to this point have not demonstrated the training and capabilities that a first class, competent military should. That is my view.
Me too. I hope the UAF can muster the necessary mechanized forces for a quick drive on Mariupol. Those heroic men and women need to see the siege lifted.More gains for Ukraine in the north...wish they could do likewise in the south:
AFAIK Russia and Human rights watch plus several more accepted international organizations have claimed/confirmed that 1,5-2,0 million Russo-Ukrainians were displaced into Russia between 2014-2020. Actually by those Putin termed (Nazi and fascist UKi units)i'm fully respecting your knowledge and experience (even consultants are my preferred group of peoples - no responsibility for words and actions) , and yes im aircraft engineer with little bit rusted military experience even i still have plenty friends in Ukraine who are sharing with me their knowledge in a matter we are talking about. Considering my lacks of expertise in this matter, please explain to me your standpoint - lets assume even russia have gained 100% of Donetsk and Lugansk regions - which is not a case - how possibly you may mobilize 200k troops from territory with population less than 1 mln????
You are correct I do not tire about bringing up the February Stats because they are a petty detailed breakdown of the order of battle at the start of the invasion. What I am waiting for is some comment from yourself as to those stats.Hey - first sense making question - thanks, also in regards to "Glider' who however unfortunately never gets tired to bring up the February stats.
There is a vast difference in fighting/combat ability between those irregulars aka LDNR units, newly conscript Russian units and regular Russian units. off course also the respective
Field-commanders and their ability are important to note.
Besides the initial push in February - around 40,000 Russian regular units seeing combat, plus some smaller elements of the LDNR in the Kiev surrounding area (Logistical disaster) supported (not combat) by around an equal number of troops and ca. 35,000 Russian regulars seeing combat in the south, there is no evidence as to what the Russian army is actually capable of in the meantime and lets say from August/September onward. This places the actual strength of the Russian Army in February-March at 70-80,000 men involved in combat
and supported by around the same number = so total around 140-160,000 men. Not taking the main force of the LDNR into account that was in a static role in the east till end of March.
I stated about 3-4 days ago that I would not be surprised to find out that Russia has already lost about 1000MBT's. - this figure was confirmed by the UAF stat published and posted yesterday. Whereby I have reasons to believe that around 60% of the Russian losses occurred around Kiev in the first 10-15 days.You are correct I do not tire about bringing up the February Stats because they are a petty detailed breakdown of the order of battle at the start of the invasion. What I am waiting for is some comment from yourself as to those stats.
Its worth mentioning as you in the above section state : -
'Besides the initial push in February - around 40,000 Russian regular units seeing combat, plus some smaller elements of the LDNR in the Kiev surrounding area (Logistical disaster) supported (not combat) by around an equal number of troops and ca. 35,000 Russian regulars seeing combat in the south'
The stats that I show (which you don't seem to deny) come to massively more than the 75,000 you state. You could of course be correct but you will appreciate that we would like some form of supporting evidence to form a balanced opinion.
Just for a slight change in direction, can you give us your assessment of the losses suffered by the Russian and allied forces?
I would go with your set of assumptions. If we work on the basis that approx 2-3 people are wounded for everyone that is killed, and split the difference between the UK earlier assessment of 15,000 killed and the Ukraine figure of about 21,000. That would give about 18,000 killed and 45,000 wounded giving an almost unbelievable casualty figure of 63,000 casualties out of a starting force of about 175,000, in the area of 1/3rd which is a real horror story.I stated about 3-4 days ago that I would not be surprised to find out that Russia has already lost about 1000MBT's. - this figure was confirmed by the UAF stat published and posted yesterday. Whereby I have reasons to believe that around 60% of the Russian losses occurred around Kiev in the first 10-15 days.
Personally I tend more to the UAF stat then the one the UK department forwarded.
As for the UKF - since they have far more less hard targets to offer, and their defensive layout their losses can't be more then 15% of the RF
Since Russia so far has restrained from exessive cluster ammo usage and totally from vacuum bombs, manpower wise I would estimate UAF losses at 4000-5000.
Whereby Mariupol alone might increase this figure from 5000 to 8000.
What figures would you have?
Well finally one western politician laying the cards on the table before Putin pulls his fantasy Joker.Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) on Sunday introduced an authorization for use of military force (AUMF) resolution that, if passed, would authorize President Biden to utilize U.S. forces to defend Ukraine if Russia uses chemical, biological or nuclear weapons against its neighbor.
Kinzinger announced the joint resolution during an interview with moderator Margaret Brennan on CBS's "Face the Nation." Asked if it is too soon to be discussing potential use of force in Ukraine, Kinzinger said, "No, I don't."
"I don't think we need to be using force in Ukraine right now. I just introduced an AUMF, an authorization for the use of military force, giving the president basically congressional leverage for permission to use it if WMDs, nuclear, biological or chemical are used in Ukraine," Kinzinger said.
The congressman said the AUMF would give Biden leverage, adding that the resolution could serve as a deterrent to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Doesn't compel the president to do it, it just says if it is used, he has that leverage. It gives him, you know, a better flexibility, but also it is a deterrent to Vladimir Putin," Kinzinger said.
"If Vladimir Putin wants to escalate with the West, he will. It's easy for him to do it. And I think right now what we're doing with supplying, with lend-lease, with the financing is right," he added.
Kinzinger introduces AUMF to defend Ukraine if Russia uses chemical, biological, nuclear weapons
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) on Sunday introduced an authorization for use of military force (AUMF) resolution that, if passed, would authorize President Biden to utilize U.S. forces to defend Ukra…thehill.com
I think this is a good step.
Well finally one western politician laying the cards on the table before Putin pulls his fantasy Joker.
Good on ya', Mate!
Since Russia so far has restrained from exessive cluster ammo usage and totally from vacuum bombs, manpower wise I would estimate UAF losses at 4000-5000.
Putin has to be itching to strike their airfields in Poland and thereabouts.
"Resistance", as in partisans behind enemy lines in occupied Ukraine? Or, volunteered to join the Ukrainian armed forces?Several of my friends volunteered to join the Ukrainian Resistance ...
I do not know much."Resistance", as in partisans behind enemy lines in occupied Ukraine? Or, volunteered to join the Ukrainian armed forces?