Admiral Beez
Captain
One lucky Russian tank here. Was he all alone, just driving down some dirt road without any infantry or other support? It looks like he's lost.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
This is one case where you may be correct:
We both share the same views about people...
Thumpalumpacus
Major
That's pretty much what I was thinking when I heard of Kissinger's comments. I doubt he'd sacrifice any part of America to mollify a hypothetical invader.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Right, at about 0:50 into the video the shot pulls back and we can see there's no friendly infantry within a few hundred meters even as the tank is barreling down a road that is closely invested with difficult wooded terrain. You can see that the tank fires a round to clear the woods at the intersection, only to be shot-at from the opposite side -- excellent tactics by the MANPATs team, it's a pity their shot went wide.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
KYIV/SVITLODARSK, Ukraine, May 26 (Reuters) - Advancing Russian forces came closer to surrounding Ukrainian troops in the east, briefly seizing positions on the last highway out of a crucial pair of Ukrainian-held cities before being beaten back, a Ukrainian official said on Thursday.
Three months into its invasion of Ukraine, Russia has abandoned its assault on the capital Kyiv and is trying to consolidate control of the industrial eastern Donbas region, where it has backed a separatist revolt since 2014.
It has poured thousands of troops into its assault, attacking from three sides in an attempt to encircle Ukrainian forces in Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk. The fall of the two cities, which straddle the Siverskiy Donets river, would bring nearly the whole of Luhansk province under Russian control, a key Kremlin war aim.
"Russia has the advantage, but we are doing everything we can" in the battle in the area, said General Oleksiy Gromov, deputy chief of the main operations department of Ukraine's general staff.
Serhiy Gaidai, governor of Luhansk province, said around 50 Russian soldiers had reached the highway and "managed to gain a foothold for some time. They even set up some kind of checkpoint there".
"The checkpoint was broken, they were thrown back. That is to say, the Russian army does not control the route now, but they are shelling it," he said in an interview posted on social media. He hinted at further Ukrainian withdrawals, saying it was possible troops would leave "one settlement, maybe two. We need to win the war, not the battle".
"It is clear that our boys are slowly retreating to more fortified positions - we need to hold back this horde," he said.
Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has defined its principal objective as capturing the east.
www.reuters.com
I'm glad they're talking about retreat. Encirclement of the fighting forces would be a disaster, I think.
Three months into its invasion of Ukraine, Russia has abandoned its assault on the capital Kyiv and is trying to consolidate control of the industrial eastern Donbas region, where it has backed a separatist revolt since 2014.
It has poured thousands of troops into its assault, attacking from three sides in an attempt to encircle Ukrainian forces in Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk. The fall of the two cities, which straddle the Siverskiy Donets river, would bring nearly the whole of Luhansk province under Russian control, a key Kremlin war aim.
"Russia has the advantage, but we are doing everything we can" in the battle in the area, said General Oleksiy Gromov, deputy chief of the main operations department of Ukraine's general staff.
Serhiy Gaidai, governor of Luhansk province, said around 50 Russian soldiers had reached the highway and "managed to gain a foothold for some time. They even set up some kind of checkpoint there".
"The checkpoint was broken, they were thrown back. That is to say, the Russian army does not control the route now, but they are shelling it," he said in an interview posted on social media. He hinted at further Ukrainian withdrawals, saying it was possible troops would leave "one settlement, maybe two. We need to win the war, not the battle".
"It is clear that our boys are slowly retreating to more fortified positions - we need to hold back this horde," he said.
Western military analysts see the battle for the two cities as a potential turning point in the war, now that Russia has defined its principal objective as capturing the east.
Russian forces edge closer to encircling Ukraine troops in east
Advancing Russian forces came closer to surrounding Ukrainian troops in the east, briefly seizing positions on the last highway out of a crucial pair of Ukrainian-held cities before being beaten back, a Ukrainian official said on Thursday.
I'm glad they're talking about retreat. Encirclement of the fighting forces would be a disaster, I think.
Admiral Beez
Captain
I think the Russians will accomplish their encirclement by early next week, cutting off and liquidating a sizable UAF force. The West's best weapons must be arriving in sizable quantities now, but it does not seem to be sufficient to save Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk from becoming the next Mariupol. After that the Russians will push hard to close the salient and join forces between Lyman and Popasna - that would leave thousands of UAF troops to the mercy of the Russians.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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How tight could the encirclement be? So tight that the UAF couldn't escape?
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
Looks like UAF is well aware of this. We will see who prevails.
Admiral Beez
Captain
If there was ever a time for the Belorussian people to rise up in revolution against their Russian-linked oppressors now is it.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
Fortunately not all politicians are like this. Every day I like more this woman. Hope her point of view prevails.
Discussed security issues today @FolkochForsvar in Stockholm. I warned about premature calls for a ceasefire and peace. We cannot give anything to the aggressor that it didn't have before – or the aggression will sooner or later return. 1/4
No sign Russia has changed its calculus. I don't believe in goodwill by an outright aggressor and a cold-blooded war criminal. We must avoid a bad peace. A badly negotiated peace for Ukraine would mean a bad peace for us all. 2/4
We need to focus on pushing back the aggressor and drying up his war machine. What Ukraine needs today are weapons to fight back the aggressor and liberate its territories. We need to help Ukraine win. And we need to make a leap forward in our own defence. 3/4
What is victory? This is solely up to Ukraine to define. But we must help them to reach the best position for any negotiations with the aggressor. The Russian threat will not go away tomorrow. We mustn't get tired. After all, Ukrainians are not tired. 4/4
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Looks a bit optimistic, but hope he is right.
www.newsweek.com
Putin Headed for 'Devastating' Defeat in Ukraine War: Expert
"This would not be the first time Moscow has launched an ambitious military adventure...only to find itself outmatched and humiliated," Anders Aslund warned.
www.newsweek.com
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
There's a YouTube channel, Denys Davidov(?). He is an airline pilot for Ukrainian International, currently on hiatus. He gives multiple updates on Ukraine and seems credible. He says when things go wrong for Ukraine.
He's been commenting on this situation. He's been saying they're going to have to fall back when necessary. He comments on defensive measures. He doesn't pretty the picture up and says it's going to take a while. They're not going to fight stupid. While Ukraine is building a NATO like army, the Russians are beating themselves senseless and weaker capturing hard to defend areas. I like his insights. He also sounds like my venerated elders.
Denys Davydov is the name.
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Admiral Beez
Captain
Zelenskyy's home town fought off Russian invaders. Now they're preparing for Putin's revenge
The largest industrial city in Ukraine is known for producing iron ore, steel and fearless leaders. As Russian missiles begin to fall again, the birthplace of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is getting ready.
www.abc.net.au
Admiral Beez
Captain
This is not the sort of positive global awareness and attention Putin had intended for Ukraine.... The world now sees them as a nation, a people. D'oh!
Zelenskyy's home town fought off Russian invaders. Now they're preparing for Putin's revenge
The largest industrial city in Ukraine is known for producing iron ore, steel and fearless leaders. As Russian missiles begin to fall again, the birthplace of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is getting ready.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Have not found any reliable source yet.
Ukrainian sources claim that Russians have taken Lyman just a few hours ago. It is expected Ukrainians will fall back to the other side of the river (we all know Russians have grown aversion to river crossing)
On the bright side they also claim a Russian assault on Severodonetsk and Avdiivka was repelled by the UAF
Ukrainian sources claim that Russians have taken Lyman just a few hours ago. It is expected Ukrainians will fall back to the other side of the river (we all know Russians have grown aversion to river crossing)
On the bright side they also claim a Russian assault on Severodonetsk and Avdiivka was repelled by the UAF
Thumpalumpacus
Major
That really depends on how the Ukrainian leadership reads and responds to the situation.
I'm not sure whether the twin cities can be saved, but if they cannot, withdrawal and bombarding occupying forces could both save Ukrainian soldiers and provide area-denial, given the longer ranges of the Ukr artillery coming in.
It sure doesn't look good, but a mobile defense supported by a baseline of arty would be where I'd look.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Looks a bit optimistic, but hope he is right.
Putin Headed for 'Devastating' Defeat in Ukraine War: Expert
"This would not be the first time Moscow has launched an ambitious military adventure...only to find itself outmatched and humiliated," Anders Aslund warned.
I agree that this is optimistic. The make-or-break point hasn't been reached for Russia, but it seems a little closer for Ukraine.
I hope I'm wrong about this, and even if I am I think the Bear will have bitten off more than it can chew. Even a Russian military victory cannot stave off an expensive and bloody insurgency, especially after the war-crimes have been detailed. By actions at Bucha and elsewhere, the Russians have raised the black flag, and the Ukrainians know they are fighting for life.
That's a powerful motivator -- especially when compared to a half-trained conscript who only wants to be back home.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
The UAF has a lot of new and non compatible equipment to organize and mobilize. I'm sure they are paying more attention to the logistics chain than the other guys.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Writ large as well as small, one should always be aware of the Law of Unintended Consequences, for it will kneecap the mighty as well as the meek.
