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[Thumpalumpacus]

Britain has announced that it will send long-range missiles to Ukraine, joining the U.S. in bolstering the country's defensive systems despite threats from Russia that they would target those types of weapons.

The United Kingdom's Defense Secretary Ben Wallace issued a press release announcing the shipment of multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS), which can strike targets with high precision up to 50 miles away.

"The UK stands with Ukraine in this fight and is taking a leading role in supplying its heroic troops with the vital weapons they need to defend their country from unprovoked invasion," Wallace said in a statement. "If the international community continues its support, I believe Ukraine can win."

MLRS are similar to the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) the U.S. recently shipped to Ukraine as part of a $700 million weapons package.

https://thehill.com/news/3512864-uk-sending-long-range-missiles-to-ukraine/

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You'll be back, if they let you. I give it 24 hours or less before your next post.

I sense the compulsion is strong with you.

He's not banned. I really don't like doing that.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

With both sides flying identical aircraft, how does a SAM team identify friend or foe? Do the UAF aircraft have IFF transponders?

IFF. They should be changing their codes often as well.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I expect the Russian's idea is that the UAF have only so much small arms ammunition, so make sure it's pumped into the separatist fools instead of your own guys.

And, it's in Putin's interest to liquidate the militant separatists in the Donbas and replace them with more docile Russians, since today's partisan ally is tomorrow's rebel against your goals, for example, Mujahadeen to Taliban.

The amount of small-arms ammo pouring into Ukraine is no secret:

Guns and ammunition make up a large amount of the transferred weapons. The U.S. has sent Ukraine over 50 million rounds of ammunition for handguns, rifles and artillery. Canada, Greece, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania and Slovenia have also supplied ammunition.

As for eliminating future rivals, perhaps ... but that seems pretty optimistic of him.

 

[wlewisiii]

Small arms and ammo are a very unimportant part of all of this.

This conflict is a great example of what is important - a force armed with only small arms can not succeed. Ukraine could not stop the Russians without lots of explosives and the way to deliver said explosives - AT missiles, AA missiles, tank guns, artillery tubes, MLRS rockets and so forth. Without them and continuous resupply, they'd have no more success than the communists in post-WWII Greece and Malaysia instead of, as they are, closer to the situation of the NVA vs the ARVN in 74 ~ 75.

 

[RogerdeLluria]

Making clear (to Russia) what "not using HIMARS to attack Russian territory" actually means.

 

[Glider]

I'd like to think the US or NATO advised Ukraine on how/when to reduce the risk of missile strikes on any T-72 marshalling areas.

Seeing how well Ukraine have been able to preserve and use their airforce, armour and tanks. I don't think they need any advice on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes.

 

[RogerdeLluria]

Some sources claim Ukrainians have retaken almost all Sievierodonetsk, while others claim the opposite.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Seeing how well Ukraine have been able to preserve and use their airforce, armour and tanks. I don't think they need any advice on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes.

Do they have platforms capable of countering these strikes in the numbers coming in?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

HELSINKI (AP) — NATO kicked off nearly a two-week U.S.-led naval exercise on the Baltic Sea on Sunday with more than 7,000 sailors, airmen and marines from 16 nations, including two aspiring to join the military alliance, Finland and Sweden.

[...]

Ahead of the naval drill, which involved 45 vessels and 75 aircraft, the top U.S military official said in Sweden — the host of the BALTOPS 22 exercise — that it was particularly important for NATO to show support to the governments in Helsinki and Stockholm.

"It is important for us, the United States, and the other NATO countries to show solidarity with both Finland and Sweden in this exercise," U.S. Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Saturday during a news conference aboard the large amphibious warship USS Kearsarge, which was moored in central Stockholm.

[...]

Turkey, a NATO member that has had good relations with Russia, has objected to Finland and Sweden joining the military alliance, citing their alleged support for a Kurdish group that Turkey labels as terrorist. NATO's chief has been trying to resolve the dispute.

The United States has never before moved such a large warship as the 843-foot USS Kearsarge in the Swedish capital, where it sailed through narrow passages in the Stockholm archipelago, Milley said.

NATO holds Baltic Sea naval exercises with Finland, Sweden

NATO has kicked off nearly a two-week U.S.-led naval exercise on the Baltic Sea with more than 7,000 sailors, airmen and marines.

apnews.com

 

[Glider]

Do they have platforms capable of countering these strikes in the numbers coming in?

From what has been published there are some limited successes against cruise missiles and similar but only limited success. The point is that the clearly have proven their ability to keep their military material well protected from Russian strikes of all kinds. You have to admire the airforce in particular. There are only a limited number of places you can operate and maintain aircraft and the infrastructure needed to support an airforce and this they have done successfully to a considerable degree.

To assume that Ukraine need advice is probably the wrong way around. When this is all over I am confident that a number of western countries will be lining up to learn how Ukraine manged both this and a number of other facets of the war.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

To assume that Ukraine need advice is probably the wrong way around. When this is all over I am confident that a number of western countries will be lining up to learn how Ukraine manged both this and a number of other facets of the war.

Very much agreed. I think we'll see years of analysis delving into what to do -- and what not to do.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Seeing how well Ukraine have been able to preserve and use their airforce, armour and tanks. I don't think they need any advice on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes.

Need advice? Perhaps not. But advice from US and NATO captured IMINT and SIGINT on planned Russian launches and likely Ukrainian targets is hopefully always welcome. I expect no Ukrainian knickers need unknotting nor pride stroked when such advice is proffered.

Can you imagine an Ukrainian officer replying as you have above? "Seeing how well we've preserved our airforce, armour and tanks, we don't need any advice from you on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes. So you can just take that dossier of intel and shove it." Is that what you have in mind?

 

[Admiral Beez]

Turkey, a NATO member that has had good relations with Russia, has objected to Finland and Sweden joining the military alliance, citing their alleged support for a Kurdish group that Turkey labels as terrorist. NATO's chief has been trying to resolve the dispute.

The solution here is simply. Sweden asks Turkey for a list of suspected Kurdish terrorists, and stick the buggers on a plane for Ankara - or to Erbil International Airport in Iraq if you're worried the Turks will top them. Sweden should have never allowed itself to become a satellite office for the the Kurdish independence movement - and now this presents an opportunity to put that to right.

Sweden as a gravitation center for the kurds

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

The solution here is simply. Sweden asks Turkey for a list of suspected Kurdish terrorists, and stick the buggers on a plane for Ankara - or to Erbil International Airport in Iraq if you're worried the Turks will top them. Sweden should have never allowed itself to become a satellite office for the the Kurdish independence movement - and now this presents an opportunity to put that to right.

Sweden as a gravitation center for the kurds

I think the sticking point may be differing definitions of "terrorism" in this instance.

 

[Glider]

Need advice? Perhaps not. But advice from US and NATO captured IMINT and SIGINT on planned Russian launches and likely Ukrainian targets is hopefully always welcome. I expect no Ukrainian knickers need unknotting nor pride stroked when such advice is proffered.

Can you imagine an Ukrainian officer replying as you have above? "Seeing how well we've preserved our airforce, armour and tanks, we don't need any advice from you on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes. So you can just take that dossier of intel and shove it." Is that what you have in mind?

I believe advice and intelligence are two different things. There is a lot of evidence that Ukraine has been given a lot of intelligence and has used it wisely. I see advice as being instructed or 'advised' as to what action to take.

Apologies for my confusion

 

[SaparotRob]

Seeing how well Ukraine have been able to preserve and use their airforce, armour and tanks. I don't think they need any advice on how to reduce the risk of missile strikes.

Maybe that's one of the reasons why they're doing well.

 

[Glider]

Maybe that's one of the reasons why they're doing well.

Exactly

 

[Admiral Beez]

I think the sticking point may be differing definitions of "terrorism" in this instance.

Likely. But if Sweden and Finland want into NATO and Turkey holds the cards, then the former two had better consider the latter's definition.

Here's Turkey's POV

Finland and Sweden: 'Guesthouses for terrorists'

Turkiye voices objection to Finland, Sweden joining NATO, for now - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[SaparotRob]

Exactly

I knew that's what you meant.