Snautzer01
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It will buff out.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (7 Viewers)
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Admiral Beez
Major
One benefit of this war may be in the advancement of mine clearing tech and capabilities. Such advancement would be welcomed from Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan and Angola to the Falklands, Cambodia and Vietnam.
Detection methods under development
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Lviv paratroopers kill half a hundred Pskov "blue berets" in 14-hour battle
Valentyna Romanenko - Tuesday, 7 June 2022, 14:45 Lviv paratroopers have reported the destruction of armoured vehicles belonging to the invaders and the deaths of up to 50 Pskov paratrooper occupiers on the Donetsk front.
for MANPADS IFF is impractical from tactical standpoint - you have to spread your MODE4 and 5 daily codes through every soldier using it - how to keep it secret and effective than?
Admiral Beez
Major
Which makes me ask why the UAF operator can't wait to verify his target before firing at just about anything flying past. Do the Ukranian infantry know that their side also has an Air Force?
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MANPADS were our biggest threat when we were in Iraq. We quickly learned that our countermeasures were ineffective against the IR missiles. We found our best defense was to fly fast and low. Blend in with the background, and change up our routes often.
As far as IFF is concerned We still changed our transponder codes every day, or if they were compromised, but this was mostly to ensure we were not shot down by our aircraft. Especially when flying near the Iranian border.
Depends on the altitude they are flying at. It may be hard to identify before its too late.
Admiral Beez
Major
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attack
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What if its on its way to the target?Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attack
Admiral Beez
Major
If "what if" combined with neglect of target identification is the Ukrainian army SOP/ROE for MANPADS, the Ukrainian Air Force had better not leave the tarmac.
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
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Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attack
I'm well aware of how a MANPAD is supposed to be fired. I have had a suspected one fired at my aircraft, and others in my unit had confirmed ones. The point was that often these target aircraft are flying at high speed and high altitude where visual identification may not be so easy.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
If the Ukrainian air force is not flying, then requiring positive ID only slows down the missileer.
Another thought that occurs to me: when --not if, when -- the Russians learn this RoE, they can adjust tactics to provide the defenders even less time for visual IFF. 350 kts doesn't sound fast but at 200' AGL the defenders will have much less time to track and ID the incoming.
Most MANPADS are IR weapons anyhow and require visual identification.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I was addressing the electronic IFF discussion above, to be clear. But with both sides flying in many cases very similar aircraft, visual ID is going to be trickier, and that will slow response times for the defenders.And if only Russians are flying, such a RoE is kinda nugatory.
Agreed.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
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Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attack
If the aircraft is hugging the ground then you may well have under ten seconds from first indication that it it coming until it has passed you.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
An Austrian analysis of the battle in Donbas:
well said! additionally in 2 km distance (well within hitting radius) is impossible to visually confirm is it "friend" or "foe" - just another black spot which may kill you and your mates....
at6
1st Sergeant
Merkel seems to support Russia. They have nothing to apologize for? What a Russian trouser sausage sucker.
