Snautzer01
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It will buff out.
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It will buff out.Two pictures that speak to the urgency of mine clearance needed in Ukraine. A tractor destroyed by an anti-vehicle mine and an abandoned corn crop.
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One benefit of this war may be in the advancement of mine clearing tech and capabilities. Such advancement would be welcomed from Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan and Angola to the Falklands, Cambodia and Vietnam.Two pictures that speak to the urgency of mine clearance needed in Ukraine.
for MANPADS IFF is impractical from tactical standpoint - you have to spread your MODE4 and 5 daily codes through every soldier using it - how to keep it secret and effective than?Stinger and STARStreak MANPADS have the ability to be fitted with IFF also, but as with the Grom and Piorun, they would have to be modified for use with the Ukrainian IFF sets. I do not know how easily that can be done - if they use interrogator/identifier encryption it might not be practical without replacing important parts of one or both IFF units.
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Which makes me ask why the UAF operator can't wait to verify his target before firing at just about anything flying past. Do the Ukranian infantry know that their side also has an Air Force?for MANPADS IFF is impractical from tactical standpoint - you have to spread your MODE4 and 5 daily codes through every soldier using it - how to keep it secret and effective than?
for MANPADS IFF is impractical from tactical standpoint - you have to spread your MODE4 and 5 daily codes through every soldier using it - how to keep it secret and effective than?
Which makes we ask why the UAF operator can't wait to verify his target before firing at just about anything flying past. Do the Ukranian infantry know that their side also has an Air Force?
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.Depends on the altitude they are flying at. It may be hard to identify before its too late.
What if its on its way to the target?Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attackgenderi.org
If "what if" combined with neglect of target identification is the Ukrainian army SOP/ROE for MANPADS, the Ukrainian Air Force had better not leave the tarmac.What if its on its way to the target?
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
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Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attackgenderi.org
If "what if" combined with neglect of target identification is the Ukrainian army SOP/ROE for MANPADS, the Ukrainian Air Force had better not leave the tarmac.
If the Ukrainian air force is not flying, then requiring positive ID only slows down the missileer.
Another thought that occurs to me: when --not if, when -- the Russians learn them, they can adjust tactics to provide the defenders even less time for visual IFF.
Most MANPADS are IR weapons anyhow and require visual identification.
I was addressing the electronic IFF discussion above, to be clear. But with both sides flying in many cases very similar aircraft, visual ID is going to be trickier, and that will slow response times for the defenders.And if only Russians are flying, such a RoE is kinda nugatory.
Then the lads with the MANPADS need a SOP/ROE that demands visual confirmation before shooting. If "too late" means a possible Russian fighter at HA has safely left the area, that's not bad day for the UAF. Killing a friendly though… not so much.
Something like step one below.
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Manpads what are they and how do they work? Mr Chris Hughes
Legitimate military weapon, employed for Point Defence of vital assets and self-protection against air attackgenderi.org
well said! additionally in 2 km distance (well within hitting radius) is impossible to visually confirm is it "friend" or "foe" - just another black spot which may kill you and your mates....If the aircraft is hugging the ground then you may well have under ten seconds from first indication that it it coming until it has passed you.