Glider
Captain
True, but the Western tanks are far less likely to blow the turrets killing all the crew. I believe there have been cases of an M1 being hit in the magazine, but the crew survived.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)
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Hmmm...
- €1.83 billion in bilateral aid since 2014
- approx. €4 billion via the EU in the form of grants and loans since 2014.
- €240 million via the EU in loans in 2022.
- Loan of over €150 million via KfW in April 2022.
- €425 million via the 'Stand Up For Ukraine' pledging campaign and an additional 70 million for medical aid via the EU
- Over €1 billion additional military aid to Ukraine for weapons purchases in April 2022
- Additional €1 billion pledged in the form of grants in May 2022
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
- 1,805
- Feb 27, 2020
Volunteer? Criminal? Some one that goes in the place of someone else?
Is hard to belive that there aren't more able men to be called to arms.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I dunno', I really liked the "space cadet uniform" line.
buffnut453
Captain
Agree entirely. I doubt that this motley crew will have the Ukrainians quaking in their boots.
Ummmm, you might want to get your facts straight…
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Infographic: The Countries Pledging the Most Military Aid to Ukraine
This chart shows the countries committing the most military aid to Ukraine from Jan. 24, 2022 to Oct. 31, 2023 (in billion euros).
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Don't forget Russia's own lend-lease contributions to the Ukrainian war effort.Ummmm, you might want to get your facts straight…
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Infographic: The Countries Pledging the Most Military Aid to Ukraine
This chart shows the countries committing the most military aid to Ukraine from Jan. 24, 2022 to Oct. 31, 2023 (in billion euros).www.statista.com
Admiral Beez
Major
From what I'm reading Ukraine is having the most success in the east offensive using fast wheeled vehicles rather than tanks, like the IVECO LAV III from Norway. With that in mind I wish Canada would send 30mm Bushmaster-armed GDC LAV3s to Ukraine.
Memories of 1939.... Poland calls for help, France looks away. At least this time Britain is stepping up."Hello... France......hello, France................hello, France..................I don't think anyone is there."
manta22
Banned
"Hello... France......hello, France................hello, France..................I don't think anyone is there."Ummmm, you might want to get your facts straight…
View attachment 688889
(I'm sure this is behind as its from Sept 8th)
Infographic: The Countries Pledging the Most Military Aid to Ukraine
This chart shows the countries committing the most military aid to Ukraine from Jan. 24, 2022 to Oct. 31, 2023 (in billion euros).
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
France will increase their aid to Ukraine when the Russians reach the Rhine."Hello... France......hello, France................hello, France..................I don't think anyone is there."
manta22
Banned
.....Or Strasburg.
Which is on the Rhine. The river forms the eastern border of the city.
Strasbourg used to be my teenage stomping grounds when I lived back in Stuttgart. We would go their to party on weekends sometimes. I have a few NSFF (Not Safe For Forum) stories I could tell…
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
All Germany has waffled on, is allowing their heavy armor to be used in Ukraine.Its about ensuring that Germany can't turn around and cut a deal with Russia. So far Germany has been the weakest link against Russia, barely contributing money to Ukraine and dragging their feet on giving weapons.
A few days ago Russia said this;
""The bottom line is, if you have an urge, if it's so hard for you, just lift the sanctions on Nord Stream 2, which is 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year, just push the button and everything will get going," Putin said."
Putin tells Europe: if you want gas, open Nord Stream 2
STORY: Speaking to reporters after the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Uzbekistan, Putin blamed what he called "the green agenda" for the energy crisis and insisted that Russia would fulfill its energy obligations."The bottom line is, if you have an urge, if it's so hard for you...news.yahoo.com
And there has been an increasing number of protest in Germany over gas prices/imports. But now Germany doesn't have a choice, any possibility of receiving gas through Nordstream 1 or 2 is gone.
This could be political, this could be a reluctance to find the Leopard may have performance flaws, it could be anything, but to claim Germany hasn't provided aid is patiently false.
To assume/claim the U.S. is behind the Nord sabotage is absurd.
The majority of Europe is a client of Russian natural gas, yet some of the most dependant narions have provided considerable aid to Ukraine.
The U.S. is not geared toward natural gas exports like it is with oil, although it has pledged to assist Europe with as much LNG as it can.
The U.S. has literally nothing to lose or gain from the pipeline sabotage.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I was wondering if this was a Russian job for the main purpose of propaganda at home for Putin.
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manta22
Banned
Stuttgart, eh? We used to play you in football & basketball- tough team. My teen stomping grounds was Frankfurt. FAHS 1957.Which is on the Rhine. The river forms the eastern border of the city.
Strasbourg used to be my teenage stomping grounds when I lived back in Stuttgart. We would go their to party on weekends sometimes. I have a few NSFF (Not Safe For Forum) stories I could tell…
First off I want to make clear I do NOT think the US was involved, I just want to share perspective of others, particularly those who distrust the US. Read some of the comments in this thread. The president's previous comments do seem a bit damning and make for good anti-US propaganda:
buffnut453
Captain
Yeah...right. The US President tells the world almost 8 months ago that the US will shut down the Nord Stream pipeline if Russia invades Ukraine. Russia does precisely that and yet it's Russia that actually closes the pipeline....and only THEN does the US go in to blow it up, which they do covertly.
A few questions:
1. If the intent was to covertly blow up the pipeline, why announce it in February?
2. Since you announced it in February, why not claim responsibility now?
3. What does it benefit the US to blow up the pipeline now?
4. How does further weakening Germany's energy situation help achieve the goal of encouraging Berlin to be more supportive of Ukraine?
For #3, US attribution would further harm relations with Germany...and they've been rocky enough over the past 5 years. There isn't a financial justification because the US doesn't produce enough excess natural gas to supply Germany, let alone the other European nations who depended on Nord Stream, nor can the US readily get excess gas to Europe. Germany helped build Nord Stream and so, presumably, it could rebuild "son of Nord Stream" once the conflict is over, so there's no long-term gain for the US.
There are no benefits to the US but there are a whole HEAP of negative impacts if the story is leaked....and there would still be a lot of people in on the secret. You can't conduct a (presumably) military operation like that without bringing in a sizeable number of people. You have the team that executed the mission, the people that planned and commanded it, including decision-makers at senior levels with US European Command and their staff. Then there's the Sec Def and his staff, the President and his staff...that's a lot of people who are in on the conspiracy.
In sum, the entire idea that the US blew up Nord Stream is ridiculous.
A few questions:
1. If the intent was to covertly blow up the pipeline, why announce it in February?
2. Since you announced it in February, why not claim responsibility now?
3. What does it benefit the US to blow up the pipeline now?
4. How does further weakening Germany's energy situation help achieve the goal of encouraging Berlin to be more supportive of Ukraine?
For #3, US attribution would further harm relations with Germany...and they've been rocky enough over the past 5 years. There isn't a financial justification because the US doesn't produce enough excess natural gas to supply Germany, let alone the other European nations who depended on Nord Stream, nor can the US readily get excess gas to Europe. Germany helped build Nord Stream and so, presumably, it could rebuild "son of Nord Stream" once the conflict is over, so there's no long-term gain for the US.
There are no benefits to the US but there are a whole HEAP of negative impacts if the story is leaked....and there would still be a lot of people in on the secret. You can't conduct a (presumably) military operation like that without bringing in a sizeable number of people. You have the team that executed the mission, the people that planned and commanded it, including decision-makers at senior levels with US European Command and their staff. Then there's the Sec Def and his staff, the President and his staff...that's a lot of people who are in on the conspiracy.
In sum, the entire idea that the US blew up Nord Stream is ridiculous.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
- 4,005
- Jun 25, 2013
They were able-bodied enough to leave.
