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Goes around, comes around. Reap what you sow. The Supreme Leader and his minions have no monopoly on obnoxious. We seem to be eternally blind to the potential of blowback.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (2 Viewers)
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Yep. It's why I'm skeptical of meddling in another country's governance. People have a habit of getting sore about shit like that.
E.G. Ukraine not being happy with Russian attempts to govern them.
Admiral Beez
Captain
True, but sometimes foreign interference in regime change works for the best. Look at the USA, without France interfering in 1776 et al, perhaps Washington is hanged from his famed apple tree and King Charles III would be ruling over the 13 colonies today….
Of course, participating in that regime change was a disaster for France's government and society, with ten years of revolution and over 40,000 executed. So there is that lesson to be wary of as we consider helping the Iranian protests along.
Getting back to Ukraine, Canada was involved in their 2019 elections, advising on what was legit and what was not.
Canada announces support for elections and democracy in Ukraine - Canada.ca
Canada is a steadfast partner of Ukraine. Today, the Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and the Honourable Marie-Claude Bibeau, Minister of International Development, announced that Canada will contribute up to $24 million to support electoral reforms, election observers...
Canada launches observation mission for Ukraine elections - Canada.ca
This week, CANADEM officially launched Mission Canada, with 50 Canadian long-term observers beginning their work on the ground in Ukraine. The Canadians will observe all aspects of the electoral process leading up to, during, and following the presidential elections in Ukraine, including...
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
KYIV/MYKOLAIV, Ukraine, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Ukraine said Russia had destroyed almost a third of its power stations over the past week as Moscow stepped up a pre-winter campaign to strike infrastructure, a move the West says is a calculated attempt to disrupt and demoralise.
Missiles struck power generating facilities in a clutch of Ukrainian cities home to millions of people and several people were killed. Moscow acknowledged targeting energy plants, while Ukraine said water infrastructure had also been hit.
"The situation is critical now across the country ... the whole country needs to prepare for electricity, water and heating outages," Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the Ukrainian president's office, told Ukrainian television.
Russian commander admits situation is 'tense' for his forces in Ukraine
Ukraine said Russia destroyed almost a third of its power stations over the past week as Moscow stepped up a pre-winter campaign to strike infrastructure.
Every death from hypothermia there this winter will be a Russian war crime.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
One would think the Russians had learned something about this from the Afghanis.
Admiral Beez
Captain
Agreed. But Ukrainians are resilient people with very strong family and community ties, so I do not expect too many weather related fatalities within Ukrainian-held territory. Ukrainians in rural areas will need to rely on wood stoves for heat. Those in urban areas will need to be moved to larger buildings that can be heated through generators or other means.... buildings that must be defended against drone and missile attack.
Those Ukrainians in Russian-held territory are in trouble this winter as the ill-equipped and increasingly cutoff Russians are forced to live off the land.
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buffnut453
Captain
Given that the potential for a winter humanitarian disaster in the former Yugoslavia prompted NATO intervention in the Balkans, I'm wondering if Russia's attacks against Ukrainian power generation may change the decision calculus in Mons? I'm not suggesting that NATO will go in all-guns-blazing to attack Russian forces. However, a humanitarian operation to provide power generation capabilities etc. could be implemented that would bring a modest number of non-combat troops on the ground in Ukraine.
I'm sure NATO leaders are nervous about such a move for fear of escalation. However, the scale of the humanitarian problem may force their hand. It's one thing to have millions of refugees leaving Ukraine. It's another thing entirely for people to be dying in situ for lack of water, power or heat.
I'm sure NATO leaders are nervous about such a move for fear of escalation. However, the scale of the humanitarian problem may force their hand. It's one thing to have millions of refugees leaving Ukraine. It's another thing entirely for people to be dying in situ for lack of water, power or heat.
buffnut453
Captain
Nord Stream pipeline update:
www.bbc.com
Nord Stream blast 'blew away 50 metres of pipe'
Danish police say explosions damaged two pipelines built to bring Russian gas to Germany.
www.bbc.com
Admiral Beez
Captain
It's amazing to me that with so many SSNs, ASW ships/aircraft and undersea surveillance in the Baltic that no one saw anything. My guess is NATO knows full well what happened but doesn't want to reveal how they know, so is playing dumb. Now if we can only find that Malaysian airliner than vanished off the earth.Nord Stream pipeline update:
Nord Stream blast 'blew away 50 metres of pipe'
Danish police say explosions damaged two pipelines built to bring Russian gas to Germany.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Sanctions work. But very very slowly.
www.railway.supply
Russian railway is on the verge of collapse
The threat of a collapse in freight traffic is growing at Russian Railways due to a shortage of bearings for heavy-duty wagons, reports Railway Supply citing sp
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at6
1st Sergeant
With myth of reprisals for the bridge blast now blown away, Finish destroying the damn bridge already.
Admiral Beez
Captain
Indeed. I hope that Biden has sent some ATACMS missiles for this very job.
On the plus side, something is definitely afoot with the AFU. There's a near total news blackout. MSM guesses are that the AFU are about to smash their way to Kherson City or make a dash for Melitopol. We'll know in the next 48-72 hours.
Who has the largest and most powerful army in eastern Europe? Ne vy, not you Russia. Not you.
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manta22
Banned
Was there a raid on Schweinfurt that we did not hear about?Sanctions work. But very very slowly.
Russian railway is on the verge of collapse
The threat of a collapse in freight traffic is growing at Russian Railways due to a shortage of bearings for heavy-duty wagons, reports Railway Supply citing sp
www.railway.supply
Russian railway is on the verge of collapse
The threat of a collapse in freight traffic is growing at Russian Railways due to a shortage of bearings for heavy-duty wagons, reports Railway Supply citing sp
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I was about to make a comment its the ball bearings again but you beat me.
Glider
Captain
Think of the job descriptionLooks like it's a bad time to be a recruiting officer in Russia.
Putin's head of Ukraine mobilisation campaign dies in 'suspicious circumstances'
Lt-Col Roman Malyk 'suspicious' death comes after a spate of attacks on mobilisation offices across Russia. His body was discovered near the fence of his home in a village in the Primorsky regionwww.mirror.co.uk
Great Promotion prospects, Pension plan has its drawbacks
hawkeye2an
Staff Sergeant
Funny how their missiles hit where they want to, when they want to. All those apartment buildings got hit when they were aiming at military targets, RIIIIIIIIGHT !!!!!!KYIV/MYKOLAIV, Ukraine, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Ukraine said Russia had destroyed almost a third of its power stations over the past week as Moscow stepped up a pre-winter campaign to strike infrastructure, a move the West says is a calculated attempt to disrupt and demoralise.
Missiles struck power generating facilities in a clutch of Ukrainian cities home to millions of people and several people were killed. Moscow acknowledged targeting energy plants, while Ukraine said water infrastructure had also been hit.
"The situation is critical now across the country ... the whole country needs to prepare for electricity, water and heating outages," Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the Ukrainian president's office, told Ukrainian television.
Russian commander admits situation is 'tense' for his forces in Ukraine
Ukraine said Russia destroyed almost a third of its power stations over the past week as Moscow stepped up a pre-winter campaign to strike infrastructure.www.reuters.com
Every death from hypothermia there this winter will be a Russian war crime.
NATO to supply Ukraine with anti-drone systems in coming days
Jens Stoltenberg says NATO will step up deliveries of air defence systems to Ukraine to help it defend itself amid Russia's swarming drone attacks in recent weeks.
www.abc.net.au
Ukraine accuses Russia of 'kidnapping' two senior staff at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant
Ukraine says two Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant staff members have been seized by Russian forces, as energy infrastructure near Kyiv is attacked by missiles.
www.abc.net.au
