"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

[Thumpalumpacus]

Wouldn't a scouting party's job be to reconnoitre and report back rather than engage?

My stepdad Bob was Marine recon in Vietnam. His description of their mission was "snooping and pooping". They had three firefights in his thirteen months there, because their mission was LRRP, not probing or fighting. His expressed opinion was that if they got in a firefight they'd gotten off the rails.

If these Russians were doing deep-prowl, then yeah, they fucked up. If they were probing defenses, as Grau points out, firing is necessary. We'd have to know their orders in order to assess their success or failure.

It looks more to me like an encounter fight, judging from how the Ukrainians were also a little surprised at the Russian presence.

 

[buffnut453]

With friends like these...

US reminds pro-Putin Hungary it's a Western ally

The US embassy hits back at anti-American remarks from Viktor Orban's government over the Ukraine war.

www.bbc.com

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

With friends like these...

US reminds pro-Putin Hungary it's a Western ally

The US embassy hits back at anti-American remarks from Viktor Orban's government over the Ukraine war.

www.bbc.com

It's a shame NATO doesn't have an eviction clause. Turkey and Hungary both do not belong, based on the NATO charter's requirement for dedication to democratic principles.

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

The Ukrainians need to have some mobile artillery on standby for the next probe, hammer the eff out of them and then quickly relocate the artillery elsewhere.

Perhaps they have it but don't wanna reveal that they have it?

It looks more to me like an encounter fight, judging from how the Ukrainians were also a little surprised at the Russian presence.

If the russian come 5-6 times a day shouldn't be a surprise, no?

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

My stepdad Bob was Marine recon in Vietnam. His description of their mission was "snooping and pooping". They had three firefights in his thirteen months there, because their mission was LRRP, not probing or fighting. His expressed opinion was that if they got in a firefight they'd gotten off the rails.

That had to be very nerve cracking. A small platoon deep in the enemy rear with little chance of support or rescue.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Ukrainians need to have some mobile artillery on standby for the next probe, hammer the eff out of them and then quickly relocate the artillery elsewhere.

Here's a summary of Ukraine's self propelled artillery. Some serious kit here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine#Self-propelled_artillery

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

That had to be very nerve cracking. A small platoon deep in the enemy rear with little chance of support or rescue.

Right. Because Marine recon companies were much smaller than normal -- 79 enlisted, 2 officers -- they couldn't afford to get into a scrap. Any shooting at all revealed his company's presence, which defeated the purpose of the mission.

Their patrols lasted 30-45 days; a couple ran longer.

Bob was the radioman, so he especially hated firefights, because with the aerial he always drew fire.

 

[GrauGeist]

My Stepdad was a Marine and his name was also Robert.
Except he was in Korea and 12 divisions of Chinese showed up for his birthday at Chosin.

 

[J_P_C]

My Stepdad was a Marine and his name was also Robert.
Except he was in Korea and 12 divisions of Chinese showed up for his birthday at Chosin.

it was big birthday party than.... respect

 

[RogerdeLluria]

Russia setting conditions to justify retreating from Kherson.


Are they also setting conditions for nuking Ukraine?

 

[XBe02Drvr]

That had to be very nerve cracking. A small platoon deep in the enemy rear with little chance of support or rescue.

Because Marine recon companies were much smaller than normal -- 79 enlisted, 2 officers -- they couldn't afford to get into a scrap. Any shooting at all revealed his company's presence, which defeated the purpose of the mission.

LRRP vets I've talked with never said anything about company or even platoon size missions. They mentioned going "into the field" as a squad or reinforced squad. They said the smaller their unit, the safer they felt. They tended to be rather closed mouthed about their experiences until they had a few brews down. Brews I was glad to buy.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

My Stepdad was a Marine and his name was also Robert.
Except he was in Korea and 12 divisions of Chinese showed up for his birthday at Chosin.

Had he been recon, they'd never have known he was there!

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Russia setting conditions to justify retreating from Kherson.


Are they also setting conditions for nuking Ukraine?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

LRRP vets I've talked with never said anything about company or even platoon size missions. They mentioned going "into the field" as a squad or reinforced squad. They said the smaller their unit, the safer they felt. They tended to be rather closed mouthed about their experiences until they had a few brews down. Brews I was glad to buy.

Bob's company went into the field fairly fully-manned at least once, to my recollection, but yeah, smaller was almost always better. Less trail left behind etc.

 

[vikingBerserker]

Maybe the Russian Army is falling back to Siberia to lull them into a trap?

 

[wlewisiii]

 

[RogerdeLluria]

Not only weapons are needed.

 

[RogerdeLluria]

This ones made me laugh !!!

 

[buffnut453]

A sphincter-flexing moment for the RAF RJ crew:

Russian jet released missile near RAF aircraft over Black Sea

The unarmed plane was in international airspace when the incident happened last month, a minister says.

www.bbc.com

 

[GTX]

Ukraine residents told not to use major appliances after 'Russian terror' hits power stations

Ukraine urges residents to drastically restrict their electricity consumption to cope with the destruction of power stations by the Russian army as winter approaches.

www.abc.net.au